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Carr is against net-neutrality. [1] He's a Trump appointee. It's clear that this is not a principles-based ask to remove a data-hungry application. Carr isn't

Carr is against net-neutrality. [1] He's a Trump appointee. It's clear that this is not a principles-based ask to remove a data-hungry application. Carr isn't saying that applications shouldn't harvest this data. He's saying a Chinese company shouldn't be playing the same game that American companies do. Thus, the logical conclusion to "why is Carr making this statement?" isn't necessarily "it's because TikTok does something abnormally bad," but rather political: it's anti-China propaganda. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_(lawyer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_(lawyer)

viktorcode 4y ago
I disagree with the premise. Supposedly, Carr continues to run Trump's agenda, but then it would banning TikTok for the reason that the social network was used to organise anti-Trump activities during the last elections.
- malcolmgreaves 4y ago
  > Supposedly, Carr continues to run Trump's agenda, Trump's most clever political tactic is to be a hypocrite and exceptionally effective liar: his agenda is always a superposition of contradictory claims. Even the GOP couldn't keep up and decided to forgo any semblance of a political platform for 2020 [1]. Despite the lies, there's a few consistent policy themes that emerged from his presidency. Notably, is a broad, across-the-board, blanket opposition to everything China. This includes decidedly not Chinese things, such as racism and condoning violence against Asian Americans [2] It also extends to economic opposition at all costs. *Here* is the central truth behind Carr's statement. It's a continuation of the Republican party's current strong anti-Chinese policy. [1] https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_2020.pdf https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_202... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/un-report-trump-seemingly-legitimizing-hate-crimes-against-asian-americans-2020-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/un-report-trump-seemingly-le...
car_analogy 4y ago
> He's saying a Chinese company shouldn't be playing the same game that American companies do. In America, yes (just like Facebook is banned in China). Will you next complain that Carr is okay with American troops marching in Washington, but doesn't like it if Chinese troops do the same? While Facebook and surveillance in general are anything but a boon for common Americans, it's understandable that those pulling the strings would get worried when a foreign country moves in on their turf.
- malcolmgreaves 4y ago
  > it's understandable that those pulling the strings would get worried when a foreign country moves in on their turf So you and I are in an agreement then! His motivation is only that the collection is done by a Chinese company. Not that data collection is bad, but rather that he wants the US government to have the authority to access the data via a National Security Letter or through the opaque, secretive FISA court system. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intellig...
  - car_analogy 4y ago
    > So you and I are in an agreement then! Perhaps not fully. I meant my analogy with troops - though it is not to American's benefit, they should be even more worried when a foreign power is spying on them.

viktorcode 4y ago

I disagree with the premise. Supposedly, Carr continues to run Trump's agenda, but then it would banning TikTok for the reason that the social network was used to organise anti-Trump activities during the last elections.

malcolmgreaves 4y ago
> Supposedly, Carr continues to run Trump's agenda, Trump's most clever political tactic is to be a hypocrite and exceptionally effective liar: his agenda is always a superposition of contradictory claims. Even the GOP couldn't keep up and decided to forgo any semblance of a political platform for 2020 [1]. Despite the lies, there's a few consistent policy themes that emerged from his presidency. Notably, is a broad, across-the-board, blanket opposition to everything China. This includes decidedly not Chinese things, such as racism and condoning violence against Asian Americans [2] It also extends to economic opposition at all costs. *Here* is the central truth behind Carr's statement. It's a continuation of the Republican party's current strong anti-Chinese policy. [1] https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_2020.pdf https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_202... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/un-report-trump-seemingly-legitimizing-hate-crimes-against-asian-americans-2020-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/un-report-trump-seemingly-le...

car_analogy 4y ago

> He's saying a Chinese company shouldn't be playing the same game that American companies do. In America, yes (just like Facebook is banned in China). Will you next complain that Carr is okay with American troops marching in Washington, but doesn't like it if Chinese troops do the same? While Facebook and surveillance in general are anything but a boon for common Americans, it's understandable that those pulling the strings would get worried when a foreign country moves in on their turf.

malcolmgreaves 4y ago
> it's understandable that those pulling the strings would get worried when a foreign country moves in on their turf So you and I are in an agreement then! His motivation is only that the collection is done by a Chinese company. Not that data collection is bad, but rather that he wants the US government to have the authority to access the data via a National Security Letter or through the opaque, secretive FISA court system. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intellig...
- car_analogy 4y ago
  > So you and I are in an agreement then! Perhaps not fully. I meant my analogy with troops - though it is not to American's benefit, they should be even more worried when a foreign power is spying on them.