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It’s not NIMBYism to expect the apartment upstairs to not become a cheap hotel, where tenants change everyday and there’s noise from throughout the day and the

by mmarq 4y ago

It’s not NIMBYism to expect the apartment upstairs to not become a cheap hotel, where tenants change everyday and there’s noise from throughout the day and the night.

kbos87 4y ago
Not referring to situations like that. I’m referring to situations where controlling neighbors use vague or hypothetical problems to exercise their will over what responsible property owners are doing with, you know, their private property. If you have noise issues, file a noise complaint.
- mmarq 4y ago
  It’s much quicker to ban activities that inevitably lead to undesirable behaviour (such as converting your flat into a cheap hostel and the entire building into a hotel lobby), rather than playing whack-a-mole with all sorts of antisocial behaviour one has to put up with if the apartment upstairs becomes a cheap hostel.
  - kbos87 4y ago
    You could use that argument to restrict just about any type of activity you don’t like. Who is the decider?
    - erichocean 4y ago
      > Who is the decider? Anyone capable of enforcing a decision.
kedean 4y ago
It is if you still use Airbnb yourself while traveling.
- mmarq 4y ago
  I don’t use AirBnB because their customer service is shit. Said that, it’s not my responsibility to ensure the flat I’m renting is owned by a real business that follows all the rules and not by a rando whose cheap hostel is causing havoc in the neighbourhood. That should be Airbnb’s responsibility.
Spivak 4y ago
But it’s fine for your neighbors to make noise throughout the day and night and host (for free) lots of different guests in their spare bedroom? Like these discussions seem so odd because while you could just ban the undesirable behavior there’s some recognition that it would never pass because it’s ridiculous and people move on to banning things associated with the undesirable behavior.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  The undesirable behavior is banned (excessive noise), it is simply not expected to be able to be enforced, so proxy actions are banned that (one assumes) have a high likelihood of leading to that problem.
- mmarq 4y ago
  > But it’s fine for your neighbors to make noise throughout the day and night and host (for free) lots of different guests in their spare bedroom? No, it’s not and that’s banned as well. > Like these discussions seem so odd because while you could just ban the undesirable behavior there’s some recognition that it would never pass because it’s ridiculous and people move on to banning things associated with the undesirable behavior. The undesirable behaviour includes the presence of strangers in my apartment block, who are given the key to the main door.

by mmarq 4y ago

It’s not NIMBYism to expect the apartment upstairs to not become a cheap hotel, where tenants change everyday and there’s noise from throughout the day and the night.

kbos87 4y ago

Not referring to situations like that. I’m referring to situations where controlling neighbors use vague or hypothetical problems to exercise their will over what responsible property owners are doing with, you know, their private property. If you have noise issues, file a noise complaint.

mmarq 4y ago
It’s much quicker to ban activities that inevitably lead to undesirable behaviour (such as converting your flat into a cheap hostel and the entire building into a hotel lobby), rather than playing whack-a-mole with all sorts of antisocial behaviour one has to put up with if the apartment upstairs becomes a cheap hostel.
- kbos87 4y ago
  You could use that argument to restrict just about any type of activity you don’t like. Who is the decider?
  - erichocean 4y ago
    > Who is the decider? Anyone capable of enforcing a decision.

kedean 4y ago

It is if you still use Airbnb yourself while traveling.

mmarq 4y ago
I don’t use AirBnB because their customer service is shit. Said that, it’s not my responsibility to ensure the flat I’m renting is owned by a real business that follows all the rules and not by a rando whose cheap hostel is causing havoc in the neighbourhood. That should be Airbnb’s responsibility.

Spivak 4y ago

But it’s fine for your neighbors to make noise throughout the day and night and host (for free) lots of different guests in their spare bedroom? Like these discussions seem so odd because while you could just ban the undesirable behavior there’s some recognition that it would never pass because it’s ridiculous and people move on to banning things associated with the undesirable behavior.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
The undesirable behavior is banned (excessive noise), it is simply not expected to be able to be enforced, so proxy actions are banned that (one assumes) have a high likelihood of leading to that problem.
mmarq 4y ago
> But it’s fine for your neighbors to make noise throughout the day and night and host (for free) lots of different guests in their spare bedroom? No, it’s not and that’s banned as well. > Like these discussions seem so odd because while you could just ban the undesirable behavior there’s some recognition that it would never pass because it’s ridiculous and people move on to banning things associated with the undesirable behavior. The undesirable behaviour includes the presence of strangers in my apartment block, who are given the key to the main door.