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I will repeat my comment: Stop generalizing the "country of origin" as if it does not matter like the Chinese Comunist Party isn't a threat to the world. - The

I will repeat my comment: Stop generalizing the "country of origin" as if it does not matter like the Chinese Comunist Party isn't a threat to the world. - There will always be a ruler, and which ruler is killing, slaving, censoring and selling it's own people as meat tools for foreign companies? - China will kill, torture it's own people and their families if they think they are a thread (even if remote) to their government party (CCP). - China put on a HEAVY surveilance tool and actually forced people to behave like they want using social credit - China is actively removing ANY historical filosophies, tales, traditions, religions that could be a thread to the CCP's beliefs. - Have you ever seen a CCP convention? Their plan is to remove the worlds countries boundaries in order to rule over everything from culture to politics and economics. Australia is suffering a lot on their hands, they even sent spies to patronize elections.

cwkoss 4y ago
US kills and tortures its own citizens if they are labeled 'criminals' or 'terrorists', or just lets cops murder activists without being charged. US has heavy surveillance infrastructure, and a kafkaesque 'private' credit system that I have no doubt the TLAs can manipulate with their banking partners. US politicians are currently working to ban the histories of racism and genocide from public schools when they make the country look bad. US media frequently participates in disinformation campaigns coordinated with state intelligence. US has done more successful election manipulation/coups than any other country on the planet. As a US citizen, I am vastly more afraid of of the US government than I am the CCP.
- moistly 4y ago
  On a personal level, sure, you’re right. On the longer, broader timespan, you are wrong. Democracy, human rights, personal freedom: That’s what’s on the line, and it is foolish to be cavalier about the situation.
  - cwkoss 4y ago
    I think you're overly discounting the chance of the US devolving into overt authoritarian fascism. We paint a thin veneer of democracy over political actions today, but our rights and protections in the US are disappearing rapidly already.
    - moistly 4y ago
      I fully agree. And that doesn’t discount at all my assertion that anti-Democratic foreign intelligence agencies pose an existential threat to our Democracies. A lot of what threatens your personal safety has been exacerbated by foreign influence. Are names of political systems to be capitalized or not? It feels to me that a word like Authoritarian should be capitalized, but then it would demand that, while democracy cowers in lowercase.
moistly 4y ago
Western Democracies are sleep-walking into their own destruction by way of hostile foreign influence of the population. Our governments have foolishly, stupidly allowed social media to be used by adversaries to provoke dissension, coordinate destructive mob action, to influence elections, etc, etc. We are going to be destroyed because we give our hostile adversaries the same benefit of the doubt, the same freedoms, the same access to our population, as we do our own people. Notably, the same does not apply in the reverse.

cwkoss 4y ago

US kills and tortures its own citizens if they are labeled 'criminals' or 'terrorists', or just lets cops murder activists without being charged. US has heavy surveillance infrastructure, and a kafkaesque 'private' credit system that I have no doubt the TLAs can manipulate with their banking partners. US politicians are currently working to ban the histories of racism and genocide from public schools when they make the country look bad. US media frequently participates in disinformation campaigns coordinated with state intelligence. US has done more successful election manipulation/coups than any other country on the planet. As a US citizen, I am vastly more afraid of of the US government than I am the CCP.

moistly 4y ago
On a personal level, sure, you’re right. On the longer, broader timespan, you are wrong. Democracy, human rights, personal freedom: That’s what’s on the line, and it is foolish to be cavalier about the situation.
- cwkoss 4y ago
  I think you're overly discounting the chance of the US devolving into overt authoritarian fascism. We paint a thin veneer of democracy over political actions today, but our rights and protections in the US are disappearing rapidly already.
  - moistly 4y ago
    I fully agree. And that doesn’t discount at all my assertion that anti-Democratic foreign intelligence agencies pose an existential threat to our Democracies. A lot of what threatens your personal safety has been exacerbated by foreign influence. Are names of political systems to be capitalized or not? It feels to me that a word like Authoritarian should be capitalized, but then it would demand that, while democracy cowers in lowercase.

moistly 4y ago

Western Democracies are sleep-walking into their own destruction by way of hostile foreign influence of the population. Our governments have foolishly, stupidly allowed social media to be used by adversaries to provoke dissension, coordinate destructive mob action, to influence elections, etc, etc. We are going to be destroyed because we give our hostile adversaries the same benefit of the doubt, the same freedoms, the same access to our population, as we do our own people. Notably, the same does not apply in the reverse.