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I'm assuming there are no convictions (and hence are they really criminals if they haven't been convicted?), but I'd like to see the allegations for each member

I'm assuming there are no convictions (and hence are they really criminals if they haven't been convicted?), but I'd like to see the allegations for each member of the cabinet.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>I'm assuming there are no convictions It's tough to get stuff to stick on teflon.
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varispeed 4y ago
If there were convictions that would project a very bad image of the EU and the west. The myth that the large scale corruption does not generally happen in the west would go bust.
BellLabradors 4y ago
There is a history of it in the institution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santer_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santer_Commission
rasz 4y ago
convictions ? ina country where being caught passing sensitive information about currently running investigation to actual NEO NAZIS being investigated gets you promoted?
meibo 4y ago
In Germany, politicians are rarely convicted, they just end up resigning or being pushed to organizations or foundations like the EU. Von der Leyen has many scandals under her belt, including ones that involved important phone messages being lost. Who knows!
- stingraycharles 4y ago
  I think this is a trend in most European countries, to be honest. It’s all bordering on corruption, and on the EU-level, transparency is typically worse than on a national level. Our prime minister in NL recently got away with using a Nokia 3310 to circumvent SMS retention laws, which could only keep a history of 20 messages. Of course, he cannot remember anything important he deleted. His excuse was that only this particular Nokia provided him with worldwide coverage. It’s really sad that this type of behavior is the status quo for one of the more developed regions of the world.
  - PeterStuer 4y ago
    The phone company is by law required to retain those messages, so you are being led astray if that is the excuse he produced.
  - wlecometo 4y ago
    > Our prime minister in NL recently got away with using a Nokia 3310 to circumvent SMS retention law that's not entirely correct but people can read more here for example: https://www.nporadio1.nl/nieuws/politiek/71fd3bb2-b74b-4f4f-8f9b-8f587faa19db/over-de-smsjesgate-van-rutte-kamer-lijkt-soms-controle-over-zichzelf-kwijt https://www.nporadio1.nl/nieuws/politiek/71fd3bb2-b74b-4f4f-... in this case the situation is far worse and the whole debate on the lack of transparency on decisions taken to fight sars-cov-2 pandemic in eu is something lots of people are protesting .

I'm assuming there are no convictions (and hence are they really criminals if they haven't been convicted?), but I'd like to see the allegations for each member of the cabinet.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>I'm assuming there are no convictions It's tough to get stuff to stick on teflon.

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varispeed 4y ago

If there were convictions that would project a very bad image of the EU and the west. The myth that the large scale corruption does not generally happen in the west would go bust.

BellLabradors 4y ago

There is a history of it in the institution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santer_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santer_Commission

rasz 4y ago

convictions ? ina country where being caught passing sensitive information about currently running investigation to actual NEO NAZIS being investigated gets you promoted?

meibo 4y ago

In Germany, politicians are rarely convicted, they just end up resigning or being pushed to organizations or foundations like the EU. Von der Leyen has many scandals under her belt, including ones that involved important phone messages being lost. Who knows!

stingraycharles 4y ago
I think this is a trend in most European countries, to be honest. It’s all bordering on corruption, and on the EU-level, transparency is typically worse than on a national level. Our prime minister in NL recently got away with using a Nokia 3310 to circumvent SMS retention laws, which could only keep a history of 20 messages. Of course, he cannot remember anything important he deleted. His excuse was that only this particular Nokia provided him with worldwide coverage. It’s really sad that this type of behavior is the status quo for one of the more developed regions of the world.
- PeterStuer 4y ago
  The phone company is by law required to retain those messages, so you are being led astray if that is the excuse he produced.
- wlecometo 4y ago
  > Our prime minister in NL recently got away with using a Nokia 3310 to circumvent SMS retention law that's not entirely correct but people can read more here for example: https://www.nporadio1.nl/nieuws/politiek/71fd3bb2-b74b-4f4f-8f9b-8f587faa19db/over-de-smsjesgate-van-rutte-kamer-lijkt-soms-controle-over-zichzelf-kwijt https://www.nporadio1.nl/nieuws/politiek/71fd3bb2-b74b-4f4f-... in this case the situation is far worse and the whole debate on the lack of transparency on decisions taken to fight sars-cov-2 pandemic in eu is something lots of people are protesting .