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> plus it will allow them to finally kill Flash off all Apple platforms for good... You can't declare that sandboxing will destroy innovation, but also activel

by tomlin 15y ago

> plus it will allow them to finally kill Flash off all Apple platforms for good... You can't declare that sandboxing will destroy innovation, but also actively persist that killing Flash is a good idea. Not saying you are, but you know others will. Flash is often used as a petri dish - a way to create new experiences and test them with a real audience. YouTube, Blog.tv, many experimental video / social integration and many other innovative (today or yesterday) ideas have lived and died because of Flash. If you've never coded a Flash experience (outside of restaurant websites) and did it well (ie, bother to code it properly), you might find it hard to see this point - again, I point you to the many examples available. When we talk about the "open web" without Flash, you're really talking about a more closed web, because the average designer / programmer can no longer contribute to the core functionality of the browser - unless, of course, you work alongside W3C. Unless Adobe begins releasing in longer cycles, by that I mean slower than W3C's snail crawl, the idea that HTML/JS will eventually catch up to Flash is a logical fallacy given history of technology.

kstenerud 15y ago
Sorry, my point was supposed to be that killing flash is one of the things that Apple wants desperately to do. I'm saying it in the sense that it's a BAD thing, not a good thing. Same goes for hobbling or eliminating competing software by banning it from the app store or playing by different internal rules (entitlements not available to outside developers, for example), or strategically refusing to grant entitlements from on high. Basically, Apple is doing successfully what Microsoft failed to do. The difference is that Apple is being celebrated for doing what Microsoft was reviled for attempting. You certainly don't hear mention of the Sherman act when Apple locks a competing app out of the iOS ecosystem, and I doubt things will be different in the locked down Mac ecosystem.

by tomlin 15y ago

kstenerud 15y ago

Sorry, my point was supposed to be that killing flash is one of the things that Apple wants desperately to do. I'm saying it in the sense that it's a BAD thing, not a good thing. Same goes for hobbling or eliminating competing software by banning it from the app store or playing by different internal rules (entitlements not available to outside developers, for example), or strategically refusing to grant entitlements from on high. Basically, Apple is doing successfully what Microsoft failed to do. The difference is that Apple is being celebrated for doing what Microsoft was reviled for attempting. You certainly don't hear mention of the Sherman act when Apple locks a competing app out of the iOS ecosystem, and I doubt things will be different in the locked down Mac ecosystem.