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China uses data from private industry to target and imprison undesirable ethnic and religious minorities at an unthinkable scale. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/

China uses data from private industry to target and imprison undesirable ethnic and religious minorities at an unthinkable scale. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big-data-program-targets-xinjiangs-muslims https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big-data-program-t... "China bad" is a casual way of dismissing these crimes, which I find to be quite repulsive.

L0stRegulator 4y ago
TikTok doesn't operate in China. All TikTok data is stored either in the USA or Singapore. There's a Dublin data center underway. Douyin is the original TikTok. It operates exclusively in China and all it's data is in China.
- piggybox 4y ago
  Ask any TikTok employee how many meetings they have each week with people from Beijing HQ...
- throwaway29812 4y ago
  > All TikTok data is stored either in the USA or Singapore And is still sent back to China. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-tapes-us-user-data-china-bytedance-access https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-... Where data is stored does not matter at all if it's still being accessed by undeclared third parties.
CyanBird 4y ago
> ... > Yet something odd happened when Borden and Prater were booked into jail: A computer program spat out a score predicting the likelihood of each committing a future crime. Borden — who is black — was rated a high risk. Prater — who is white — was rated a low risk. > Two years later, we know the computer algorithm got it exactly backward. Borden has not been charged with any new crimes. Prater is serving an eight-year prison term for subsequently breaking into a warehouse and stealing thousands of dollars’ worth of electronics. > Scores like this — known as risk assessments — are increasingly common in courtrooms across the nation. They are used to inform decisions about who can be set free at every stage of the criminal justice system, from assigning bond amounts — as is the case in Fort Lauderdale — to even more fundamental decisions about defendants’ freedom. In Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Kentucky, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin, the results of such assessments are given to judges during criminal sentencing. > ... You mean, algorithms such as these above right? If so, then yeah, I feel for them, just like I feel for the black demographics living under such distopia right now in supposed democratic countries https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessm... (2016)
- throwaway29812 4y ago
  You can find individual cases of data misuse all day long. Comparing those awful but isolated cases to a large, purposeful, systemic, government run system of internment is absurd. https://thediplomat.com/2022/05/xinjiang-police-files-show-xi-jinpings-personal-involvement-in-uyghur-persecution/ https://thediplomat.com/2022/05/xinjiang-police-files-show-x...
  - CyanBird 4y ago
    > individual Except for you know, the fact that these are not individual cases.... And that as you might know, courts indeed form part of "the government", if anything courts, be it tribal or others are the original form of government
    - throwaway29812 4y ago
      Does this program exist on a national scale, does it affect millions of people? If not, the comparison is absurd.

L0stRegulator 4y ago

TikTok doesn't operate in China. All TikTok data is stored either in the USA or Singapore. There's a Dublin data center underway. Douyin is the original TikTok. It operates exclusively in China and all it's data is in China.

piggybox 4y ago
Ask any TikTok employee how many meetings they have each week with people from Beijing HQ...
throwaway29812 4y ago
> All TikTok data is stored either in the USA or Singapore And is still sent back to China. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-tapes-us-user-data-china-bytedance-access https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-... Where data is stored does not matter at all if it's still being accessed by undeclared third parties.

CyanBird 4y ago

> ... > Yet something odd happened when Borden and Prater were booked into jail: A computer program spat out a score predicting the likelihood of each committing a future crime. Borden — who is black — was rated a high risk. Prater — who is white — was rated a low risk. > Two years later, we know the computer algorithm got it exactly backward. Borden has not been charged with any new crimes. Prater is serving an eight-year prison term for subsequently breaking into a warehouse and stealing thousands of dollars’ worth of electronics. > Scores like this — known as risk assessments — are increasingly common in courtrooms across the nation. They are used to inform decisions about who can be set free at every stage of the criminal justice system, from assigning bond amounts — as is the case in Fort Lauderdale — to even more fundamental decisions about defendants’ freedom. In Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Kentucky, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin, the results of such assessments are given to judges during criminal sentencing. > ... You mean, algorithms such as these above right? If so, then yeah, I feel for them, just like I feel for the black demographics living under such distopia right now in supposed democratic countries https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessm... (2016)

throwaway29812 4y ago
You can find individual cases of data misuse all day long. Comparing those awful but isolated cases to a large, purposeful, systemic, government run system of internment is absurd. https://thediplomat.com/2022/05/xinjiang-police-files-show-xi-jinpings-personal-involvement-in-uyghur-persecution/ https://thediplomat.com/2022/05/xinjiang-police-files-show-x...
- CyanBird 4y ago
  > individual Except for you know, the fact that these are not individual cases.... And that as you might know, courts indeed form part of "the government", if anything courts, be it tribal or others are the original form of government
  - throwaway29812 4y ago
    Does this program exist on a national scale, does it affect millions of people? If not, the comparison is absurd.