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Has the US Gov utilized data from private companies to aid in the targeting and internment of their own citizens ? https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big

Has the US Gov utilized data from private companies to aid in the targeting and internment of their own citizens ? https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big-data-program-targets-xinjiangs-muslims https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big-data-program-t...

rglullis 4y ago
Not yet. The only way to make sure that it continues like this is if nobody can collect the data.
- throwaway29812 4y ago
  > Not yet. So no, the answer is no. And there are laws in place that prevent such a change from occurring. > nobody can collect the data. It's unrealistic to think no one will be scraping data. You just need laws around who can do it, can for what reasons. And enforcement. (all of these things only possible in non-autocratic countries)
  - rglullis 4y ago
    > laws in place that prevent such a change from occurring. Haven't you learned anything from Snowden? > You just need laws around who can do it, can for what reasons. You just make illegal to use personal data for any other thing that is not the service being directly provided to the customer. Personalized ads? Tracking cookies? Ad bids? Make all these illegal and the collection of data will stop being profitable. Stop making it profitable, and companies will no longer be interested in doing.
    - throwaway29812 4y ago
      We are talking about private industry working together with governments. The US has no intention nor legal ability to force private industry to work with them, outside of when they choose to. Unless a new patriot act comes along, which is highly unlikely to pass in 2022.
      - rglullis 4y ago
        No. We are talking about companies with way too much power in their hands and that might use it for nefarious purposes {for,against,with,without,despite} the government.
CyanBird 4y ago
> US Gov utilized data from private companies Yes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/19/us-immigration-agency-data-loophole-information-deportation-targets https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/19/us-immigrati... https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-agencies-use-cellphone-location-data-for-immigration-enforcement-11581078600 https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-agencies-use-cellphone-... https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/10/23065080/ice-surveillance-dragnet-data-brokers-georgetown-law https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/10/23065080/ice-surveillance...
- throwaway29812 4y ago
  1. Not citizens. 2. Not for imprisonment (although deportation is an ugly business no matter the context). 3. Not working with companies, working with shady third-party data brokers that companies themselves would like to see shut down.

rglullis 4y ago

Not yet. The only way to make sure that it continues like this is if nobody can collect the data.

throwaway29812 4y ago
> Not yet. So no, the answer is no. And there are laws in place that prevent such a change from occurring. > nobody can collect the data. It's unrealistic to think no one will be scraping data. You just need laws around who can do it, can for what reasons. And enforcement. (all of these things only possible in non-autocratic countries)
- rglullis 4y ago
  > laws in place that prevent such a change from occurring. Haven't you learned anything from Snowden? > You just need laws around who can do it, can for what reasons. You just make illegal to use personal data for any other thing that is not the service being directly provided to the customer. Personalized ads? Tracking cookies? Ad bids? Make all these illegal and the collection of data will stop being profitable. Stop making it profitable, and companies will no longer be interested in doing.
  - throwaway29812 4y ago
    We are talking about private industry working together with governments. The US has no intention nor legal ability to force private industry to work with them, outside of when they choose to. Unless a new patriot act comes along, which is highly unlikely to pass in 2022.
    - rglullis 4y ago
      No. We are talking about companies with way too much power in their hands and that might use it for nefarious purposes {for,against,with,without,despite} the government.

CyanBird 4y ago

> US Gov utilized data from private companies Yes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/19/us-immigration-agency-data-loophole-information-deportation-targets https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/19/us-immigrati... https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-agencies-use-cellphone-location-data-for-immigration-enforcement-11581078600 https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-agencies-use-cellphone-... https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/10/23065080/ice-surveillance-dragnet-data-brokers-georgetown-law https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/10/23065080/ice-surveillance...

throwaway29812 4y ago
1. Not citizens. 2. Not for imprisonment (although deportation is an ugly business no matter the context). 3. Not working with companies, working with shady third-party data brokers that companies themselves would like to see shut down.