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Also: "you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content, for example, to make copies of, retain, transmit,

Also: "you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content, for example, to make copies of, retain, transmit, reformat, display, and distribute via communication tools Your Content on the Services." https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/servicesagreement/upcoming.aspx https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/servicesagreement/upcoming.a...

Pryde 4y ago
Am I missing something, or is GitHub distinctly not listed in the Covered Services section of that services agreement?
- fartcannon 4y ago
  Nope, looks like I missed that. My mistake. So what part of the github terms gives them permission to sell my IP back to me through copilot?
mey 4y ago
https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-terms-of-service#d-user-generated-content https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-t... GitHub has a separate policy...
- fartcannon 4y ago
  Thank you, I missed that part. As I asked elsewhere, where is the part of these agreements that permits them to profit off my IP through copilot?
  - vel0city 4y ago
    If your code was in a private repo they supposedly didn't use it for training. I think it was also mentioned they tried to limit it to only repos where they could determine some kind of license they thought would permit such usage. If you're publishing your IP to GitHub in a public repo and using a widely permissive license, they didn't need an agreement to use that IP to train copilot.
    - fartcannon 4y ago
      There needs to be a line somewhere that says, "if you use a widely permissive license, we will use your IP to make money for ourselves" or something like that, then, right? That's what I want. To find that line.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - vel0city 4y ago
        Do they need to have such a statement? What makes them need to make such a statement? You've given them the permission with the copyright license you've published your code with.
        fartcannon 4y ago
        Yes it's required, at no point did any license I assign my code give them permission to sell my IP as a part of copilot.
        vel0city 4y ago
        Which licenses do you use and where in the licenses does it state it couldn't be used as training data?
        fartcannon 4y ago
        My license says something along the lines of "This is totally free, except for use by Microsoft and Github in anything they develop or sell." So, where does it say they can use my IP?
        vel0city 4y ago
        Cool. Call an IP lawyer, sue Microsoft, and enjoy retirement on your new boat. Or I guess you didn't really have any IP of value that was infringed on whatever license you claim to have made.

Pryde 4y ago

Am I missing something, or is GitHub distinctly not listed in the Covered Services section of that services agreement?

fartcannon 4y ago
Nope, looks like I missed that. My mistake. So what part of the github terms gives them permission to sell my IP back to me through copilot?

mey 4y ago

https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-terms-of-service#d-user-generated-content https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-t... GitHub has a separate policy...

fartcannon 4y ago
Thank you, I missed that part. As I asked elsewhere, where is the part of these agreements that permits them to profit off my IP through copilot?
- vel0city 4y ago
  If your code was in a private repo they supposedly didn't use it for training. I think it was also mentioned they tried to limit it to only repos where they could determine some kind of license they thought would permit such usage. If you're publishing your IP to GitHub in a public repo and using a widely permissive license, they didn't need an agreement to use that IP to train copilot.
  - fartcannon 4y ago
    There needs to be a line somewhere that says, "if you use a widely permissive license, we will use your IP to make money for ourselves" or something like that, then, right? That's what I want. To find that line.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - vel0city 4y ago
      Do they need to have such a statement? What makes them need to make such a statement? You've given them the permission with the copyright license you've published your code with.
      - fartcannon 4y ago
        Yes it's required, at no point did any license I assign my code give them permission to sell my IP as a part of copilot.
        vel0city 4y ago
        Which licenses do you use and where in the licenses does it state it couldn't be used as training data?
        fartcannon 4y ago
        My license says something along the lines of "This is totally free, except for use by Microsoft and Github in anything they develop or sell." So, where does it say they can use my IP?
        vel0city 4y ago
        Cool. Call an IP lawyer, sue Microsoft, and enjoy retirement on your new boat. Or I guess you didn't really have any IP of value that was infringed on whatever license you claim to have made.