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Yes, its absolutely beautiful. And remember, it only has the artifacts that Spain _didn't_ successfully steal. Museums in Barcelona and Madrid still proudly d

Yes, its absolutely beautiful. And remember, it only has the artifacts that Spain _didn't_ successfully steal. Museums in Barcelona and Madrid still proudly display the bloody artifacts stolen from the hundreds of years they raped, pillaged, slaughtered and enslaved indigenous Americans.

manuelabeledo 4y ago
> ... from the hundreds of years they raped, pillaged, slaughtered and enslaved indigenous Americans Every time I see this, it kind of makes me chuckle. Many of the colonisers never make it back to Spain. Round trips were absolutely not the norm, thus it is more than likely that most current inhabitants of the Americas are, in fact, their descendants.
- daniel-cussen 4y ago
  Yeah, but that's actually the case generally with conquests. So for instance I'm...well a product of the melting pot, every Western and Northern European nation, but firstmost Irish, and I look Irish. So there, the Norman Invasion and conquests 850 years ago left a genetic legacy by the conquerors, who yes, raped, pillaged, slaughtered and enslaved the others. Which is par for the course, History is full of that. And it wasn't a complete annihilition, there were Hiberno-Norse elites and over time the conflict was superseded. But what were the consequences of this conquest for me? Blond hair that darkened to brown, bluish-gray eyes, and a red beard. And the surname Cussen, which is Norwegian. Same goes for the Mestizaje: so in that event many Spanish women did come to the Americas, a quarter of the Spaniards were women, and on special like transport ships for families, personal belongings, and domestic animals. Women weren't allowed on ordinary expedition ships due to the danger. And their descendants don't consider themselves raped, it depends on the era and place, eg Kechwa yes, but Aymara partly, Xauxa not. On the other hand the Spanish Conquest meant the Americanos could communicate, a Mapuche from Patagonia Argentina can speak Spanish with a Baja Californian perfectly, which was not the case before. They brought many things from the Columbian Exchange, and a religion that syncretised with the local faiths, for instance protecting the Cult of Pachamama, oppressed by the Incan rulers, by changing the format to the Cult of the Virgin Mary, adapted to those lands. Mestizo Jesuses in Central America, which surely resemble the Savior more than the blue-eyed European Jesus. It's the Leyenda Negra and Leyenda Rosa, black legend and rose legend, neither is true.

manuelabeledo 4y ago

> ... from the hundreds of years they raped, pillaged, slaughtered and enslaved indigenous Americans Every time I see this, it kind of makes me chuckle. Many of the colonisers never make it back to Spain. Round trips were absolutely not the norm, thus it is more than likely that most current inhabitants of the Americas are, in fact, their descendants.

daniel-cussen 4y ago
Yeah, but that's actually the case generally with conquests. So for instance I'm...well a product of the melting pot, every Western and Northern European nation, but firstmost Irish, and I look Irish. So there, the Norman Invasion and conquests 850 years ago left a genetic legacy by the conquerors, who yes, raped, pillaged, slaughtered and enslaved the others. Which is par for the course, History is full of that. And it wasn't a complete annihilition, there were Hiberno-Norse elites and over time the conflict was superseded. But what were the consequences of this conquest for me? Blond hair that darkened to brown, bluish-gray eyes, and a red beard. And the surname Cussen, which is Norwegian. Same goes for the Mestizaje: so in that event many Spanish women did come to the Americas, a quarter of the Spaniards were women, and on special like transport ships for families, personal belongings, and domestic animals. Women weren't allowed on ordinary expedition ships due to the danger. And their descendants don't consider themselves raped, it depends on the era and place, eg Kechwa yes, but Aymara partly, Xauxa not. On the other hand the Spanish Conquest meant the Americanos could communicate, a Mapuche from Patagonia Argentina can speak Spanish with a Baja Californian perfectly, which was not the case before. They brought many things from the Columbian Exchange, and a religion that syncretised with the local faiths, for instance protecting the Cult of Pachamama, oppressed by the Incan rulers, by changing the format to the Cult of the Virgin Mary, adapted to those lands. Mestizo Jesuses in Central America, which surely resemble the Savior more than the blue-eyed European Jesus. It's the Leyenda Negra and Leyenda Rosa, black legend and rose legend, neither is true.