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noirbot 4y ago
At very least Twitter and Apple have a decent track record of declining to provide data without justification. It seems pretty safe to assume the Chinese government wouldn't have to ask at all to get any of this information.
- angio 4y ago
  Apple was part of PRISM.
- theplumber 4y ago
  If that's the standard we have on hackernews it's not that hard to imagine why the vast majority of people simply don't care who trades their data.
  - noirbot 4y ago
    That's not "the standard", it's just worth mentioning that at least some companies have a proper legal team that seems to work on behalf of its users. Twitter's actually been behind a number of legal precedents on the right to be anonymous online. I also don't speak for HN, clearly, since this post is full up on people who see no difference between "almost definitely has given full access to the government 24/7/365" and "Complies with reasonable court orders".
SkyMarshal 4y ago
Except TikTok is operating on behalf of an authoritarian regime with no protection for human rights, freedom of speech or thought, rule of law, separation and balance of power, or any of those quaint things.
- ok123456 4y ago
  Have you been keeping up with rulings from the Supreme Court this term?
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  Are you referring to Israel or China?
- maccolgan 4y ago
  Almost all the world doesn't care about any of that when it comes to external behaviour.
vorpalhex 4y ago
You keep jumping into every convo with this weak retort. Google and Apple aren't rounding up Muslims into camps.
- theplumber 4y ago
  >> Google and Apple aren't rounding up Muslims into camps. Neither tiktok but the chinese gov does that and the U.S tortures muslims and not only muslims. I think we've got enough about this human rights pretext.
- deleted 4y ago
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- leaflets2 4y ago
  I think some of the people here are paid by the CCP to try to spread propaganda? Maybe not GP but generally ... The 50 Cent Army
  - theplumber 4y ago
    I just can't stand cheap propaganda. Yeah reeducation of muslims in a chinese provice is bad for human rights but saying this is the reason why the U.S is acting against chinese interests makes me puke. Are we all that brainwashed? Has the U.S been unaware of the human rights atrocities commited by Saudi Arabia for the past 100 years? Why is the U.S selling weapons, accepts investments(i.e SA owns Apple stock) and hugs SA? I understand that "simple" people want A "simple" message but I expect a more critical debate here. What's wrong just spelling the truth? i.e: China, a communist state, grown by the U.S(and not only) has become too powerful and now is threating U.S lead world domination(economically and millitary). We must strangle its power and communist influence to preserve our way of life(and our power in the world). I think we are all grown ups here. There is no need to sell a syrupy story. The U.S just left in a hurry the one place where it could have done something for the muslim women so spare me of the U.S concern of musslims reeducation camps in China.
    - leaflets2 4y ago

At very least Twitter and Apple have a decent track record of declining to provide data without justification. It seems pretty safe to assume the Chinese government wouldn't have to ask at all to get any of this information.

angio 4y ago
Apple was part of PRISM.
theplumber 4y ago
If that's the standard we have on hackernews it's not that hard to imagine why the vast majority of people simply don't care who trades their data.
- noirbot 4y ago
  That's not "the standard", it's just worth mentioning that at least some companies have a proper legal team that seems to work on behalf of its users. Twitter's actually been behind a number of legal precedents on the right to be anonymous online. I also don't speak for HN, clearly, since this post is full up on people who see no difference between "almost definitely has given full access to the government 24/7/365" and "Complies with reasonable court orders".

SkyMarshal 4y ago

Except TikTok is operating on behalf of an authoritarian regime with no protection for human rights, freedom of speech or thought, rule of law, separation and balance of power, or any of those quaint things.

ok123456 4y ago
Have you been keeping up with rulings from the Supreme Court this term?
encryptluks2 4y ago
Are you referring to Israel or China?
maccolgan 4y ago
Almost all the world doesn't care about any of that when it comes to external behaviour.

vorpalhex 4y ago

You keep jumping into every convo with this weak retort. Google and Apple aren't rounding up Muslims into camps.

theplumber 4y ago
>> Google and Apple aren't rounding up Muslims into camps. Neither tiktok but the chinese gov does that and the U.S tortures muslims and not only muslims. I think we've got enough about this human rights pretext.
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leaflets2 4y ago
I think some of the people here are paid by the CCP to try to spread propaganda? Maybe not GP but generally ... The 50 Cent Army
- theplumber 4y ago
  I just can't stand cheap propaganda. Yeah reeducation of muslims in a chinese provice is bad for human rights but saying this is the reason why the U.S is acting against chinese interests makes me puke. Are we all that brainwashed? Has the U.S been unaware of the human rights atrocities commited by Saudi Arabia for the past 100 years? Why is the U.S selling weapons, accepts investments(i.e SA owns Apple stock) and hugs SA? I understand that "simple" people want A "simple" message but I expect a more critical debate here. What's wrong just spelling the truth? i.e: China, a communist state, grown by the U.S(and not only) has become too powerful and now is threating U.S lead world domination(economically and millitary). We must strangle its power and communist influence to preserve our way of life(and our power in the world). I think we are all grown ups here. There is no need to sell a syrupy story. The U.S just left in a hurry the one place where it could have done something for the muslim women so spare me of the U.S concern of musslims reeducation camps in China.
  - leaflets2 4y ago