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Dude, you are distrustful... it's not the case: I'm at the 50% of the work with PragmataPro, anyone can realize it just by looking at the screenshots. If I wa

Dude, you are distrustful... it's not the case: I'm at the 50% of the work with PragmataPro, anyone can realize it just by looking at the screenshots. If I wanted to escape with the loot I would not be so stupid to draw about 1600 glyphs spending 3 years of my life. Revenue from sales of licenses are not sufficient to cover even 10% of the time I used to arrive here. Then came the piracy that has stopped the sales. My dream is to finish this project getting the appropriate reward for my hard work. Am I wrong to dream this?

omarchowdhury 15y ago
"Appropriate" reward would be the reward the market decides you get, not what you hope for.
- fabrizioschiavi 15y ago
  I seen. Pragmata is a "bestseller" in piracy market...
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  - luser001 15y ago
    Don't mind the haters here. Good luck to you!
- luser001 15y ago
  OK, I'll bite. In this instance, how is the "market" not deciding what he gets?
- achompas 15y ago
  You can't just hand-wave away market inefficiencies here. The man's fonts are being pirated--does that mean they have an intrinsic value of $0?
  - omarchowdhury 15y ago
    No, it means people are not willing to pay for it.
    - gurkendoktor 15y ago
      Sorry for being anecdotal, but I've often seen people buy something after failing to pirate it. But whether somebody has uploaded a font for illegal downloading or not should not be able change its fair market value IMHO. In reality it does, and that is why the market's reaction may be just as unfair as up-front payments. (And I think your initial reply was related to fairness, correct me if I'm wrong.)
    - achompas 15y ago
      So he's trying to sell his font for a certain price to recoup some of those lost sales. We'll see whether the market responds. What's wrong with that?
    - peteforde 15y ago
      That's pretty black and white. Indie music can always fall back on giving away tunes to support a touring and merchandising play, but someone that puts years into a font only to see it pirated isn't exactly given the opportunity to rent a tour bus. I think that if he can make it work, he deserves our encouragement.
achompas 15y ago
I mentioned you offer of a discounted license for all contributors if the font isn't open-sourced, and that offer is explicitly stated on the project page. I'm not doubting your trustworthiness at all! I believe I've been fair in evaluating your decision to sell on IndieGogo instead of Kickstarter. At the same time, you're going to need 22,000 contributions of $10 to open-source your font. That's a non-trivial number, but you're guaranteed to earn money for your hard work because you posted on IndieGogo. I wish you the best of luck! I can't afford to help you out, but I'd like to analyze your choice of marketplace so other designers can follow your example.
- vanni 15y ago
  > I believe I've been fair in evaluating your decision to sell on IndieGogo instead of Kickstarter. Kickstarter is not an option for us Italians. It's US only. See http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/creating%20a%20project#StarAProj http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/creating%20a%20project#S...
  - X-Istence 15y ago
    I've seen a couple or projects led by Italians on Kickstarter ...

omarchowdhury 15y ago

"Appropriate" reward would be the reward the market decides you get, not what you hope for.

fabrizioschiavi 15y ago
I seen. Pragmata is a "bestseller" in piracy market...
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- luser001 15y ago
  Don't mind the haters here. Good luck to you!
luser001 15y ago
OK, I'll bite. In this instance, how is the "market" not deciding what he gets?
achompas 15y ago
You can't just hand-wave away market inefficiencies here. The man's fonts are being pirated--does that mean they have an intrinsic value of $0?
- omarchowdhury 15y ago
  No, it means people are not willing to pay for it.
  - gurkendoktor 15y ago
    Sorry for being anecdotal, but I've often seen people buy something after failing to pirate it. But whether somebody has uploaded a font for illegal downloading or not should not be able change its fair market value IMHO. In reality it does, and that is why the market's reaction may be just as unfair as up-front payments. (And I think your initial reply was related to fairness, correct me if I'm wrong.)
  - achompas 15y ago
    So he's trying to sell his font for a certain price to recoup some of those lost sales. We'll see whether the market responds. What's wrong with that?
  - peteforde 15y ago
    That's pretty black and white. Indie music can always fall back on giving away tunes to support a touring and merchandising play, but someone that puts years into a font only to see it pirated isn't exactly given the opportunity to rent a tour bus. I think that if he can make it work, he deserves our encouragement.

achompas 15y ago

I mentioned you offer of a discounted license for all contributors if the font isn't open-sourced, and that offer is explicitly stated on the project page. I'm not doubting your trustworthiness at all! I believe I've been fair in evaluating your decision to sell on IndieGogo instead of Kickstarter. At the same time, you're going to need 22,000 contributions of $10 to open-source your font. That's a non-trivial number, but you're guaranteed to earn money for your hard work because you posted on IndieGogo. I wish you the best of luck! I can't afford to help you out, but I'd like to analyze your choice of marketplace so other designers can follow your example.

vanni 15y ago
> I believe I've been fair in evaluating your decision to sell on IndieGogo instead of Kickstarter. Kickstarter is not an option for us Italians. It's US only. See http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/creating%20a%20project#StarAProj http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/creating%20a%20project#S...
- X-Istence 15y ago
  I've seen a couple or projects led by Italians on Kickstarter ...