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This is uselessly dismissive and overlooks that this is one of the worst heat waves in years. > In Argentina, temperatures in more than 50 cities rose above 40

This is uselessly dismissive and overlooks that this is one of the worst heat waves in years. > In Argentina, temperatures in more than 50 cities rose above 40°C, more than 10°C warmer than the typical average temperature in cities such as Buenos Aires. Saying summer is hot when people die from heat stroke is about as constructive and considerate as saying water is wet when people die in floods.

otachack 4y ago
A majority of people simply don't care until the effects hit them directly. And by then they'll take it as the new normal.
april_22 4y ago
Exactly. And the worst part is that it will only get worse the coming decades. This is also one point the article was making.
- meatsauce 4y ago
  1972: UN Climate Barker - "We only have 10 years left to fix the climate" Looking at today's calendar, someone should tell the four horses of the climate apocalypse that they are 50 years late.
ejb999 4y ago
>>This is uselessly dismissive and overlooks that this is one of the worst heat waves in years. and yet the article says that 5X as many people die on the colder days, then on the warmer days - wouldn't the average temperature going up be a net positive for temperature related deaths? I hate articles like this - very heavy on the opinion/advocacy, and very light on any real facts. 80% of the temperature deaths are happening on the cold days, but the whole article is basically saying the temperature going up is the problem. "" Although deaths on extremely cold days—about 785,000—were much higher than those on extremely hot days—about 103,000—overall there were more days with intense cold, which could explain this difference. """
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  you can solve coldness by wearing warm clothes. but it is impossoble to solve hotness in a portable manner. there is no practical way to cool a person outdoors that needs to do heavy labour, say farming
  - meatsauce 4y ago
    How did humanity ever survive without AC and internet?
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- lozenge 4y ago
  "Average" temperature is a bad proxy for both "extremely hot days" and "extremely cold days".
- rbanffy 4y ago
  > wouldn't the average temperature going up be a net positive for temperature related deaths? A higher average temperature indicates higher energy, which means more chaotic weather, worse storms, more flooding, longer droughts, colder cold days and hotter hot days. As for numbers, you can roughly approximate the cause of death from the difference between an "average" day and an extremely hot or cold day. There's no need to approximate the deaths from the increasingly frequent "once in a lifetime" storms and floods.
- seabea 4y ago
  Higher average temperatures (climate) lead to more extreme temperature events (weather). How do people still not understand this?
- jmvoodoo 4y ago
  Article also says that more people will die from extreme temps, not just high temps. It also says that climate change makes heat waves and cold fronts more extreme. Hotter on average does not mean hotter everywhere or hotter all the time.

otachack 4y ago

A majority of people simply don't care until the effects hit them directly. And by then they'll take it as the new normal.

april_22 4y ago

Exactly. And the worst part is that it will only get worse the coming decades. This is also one point the article was making.

meatsauce 4y ago
1972: UN Climate Barker - "We only have 10 years left to fix the climate" Looking at today's calendar, someone should tell the four horses of the climate apocalypse that they are 50 years late.

ejb999 4y ago

>>This is uselessly dismissive and overlooks that this is one of the worst heat waves in years. and yet the article says that 5X as many people die on the colder days, then on the warmer days - wouldn't the average temperature going up be a net positive for temperature related deaths? I hate articles like this - very heavy on the opinion/advocacy, and very light on any real facts. 80% of the temperature deaths are happening on the cold days, but the whole article is basically saying the temperature going up is the problem. "" Although deaths on extremely cold days—about 785,000—were much higher than those on extremely hot days—about 103,000—overall there were more days with intense cold, which could explain this difference. """

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
you can solve coldness by wearing warm clothes. but it is impossoble to solve hotness in a portable manner. there is no practical way to cool a person outdoors that needs to do heavy labour, say farming
- meatsauce 4y ago
  How did humanity ever survive without AC and internet?
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lozenge 4y ago
"Average" temperature is a bad proxy for both "extremely hot days" and "extremely cold days".
rbanffy 4y ago
> wouldn't the average temperature going up be a net positive for temperature related deaths? A higher average temperature indicates higher energy, which means more chaotic weather, worse storms, more flooding, longer droughts, colder cold days and hotter hot days. As for numbers, you can roughly approximate the cause of death from the difference between an "average" day and an extremely hot or cold day. There's no need to approximate the deaths from the increasingly frequent "once in a lifetime" storms and floods.
seabea 4y ago
Higher average temperatures (climate) lead to more extreme temperature events (weather). How do people still not understand this?
jmvoodoo 4y ago
Article also says that more people will die from extreme temps, not just high temps. It also says that climate change makes heat waves and cold fronts more extreme. Hotter on average does not mean hotter everywhere or hotter all the time.