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OK but what's the upshot wrt this story? Now that someone knows about its connection to the CCP, does it change how we ought to think about it in any way?

z3c0 4y ago
Yes. If this wasn't state-driven, it'd be a somewhat-humorous prank. If it is state-driven, it becomes a situation straight from 1984, where the protagonist's job is quite literally to rewrite history.
- kieselguhr_kid 4y ago
  Doesn't the fact that it's reported in state-owned media suggest, although not prove, that it's not state driven? Why would they invite extra scrutiny to their disinformation campaign by publishing an article about it?
  - z3c0 4y ago
    Not really. It's a common strategy called "controlling the narrative" and it has been in play since the early days of public relations and propaganda, largely considered to be pioneered by Ivy Lee[1]. Regardless, I only posed it being state-driven as a hypothetical anyways. But state media reporting on the matter does little-to-nothing towards disproving that hypothesis. [1]: https://pracademy.co.uk/insights/ivy-lee-and-the-origins-of-the-press-release/ https://pracademy.co.uk/insights/ivy-lee-and-the-origins-of-...
- trasz 4y ago
  If you applied the same criteria to Western media, you'd conclude that the vast majority of them is state-driven too. (Note that this is not whataboutism, but rather a proof that this behaviour is widespread and pretty much normal, which contrasts with article's rethoric)
  - z3c0 4y ago
    I do, and I have. That said, the extremely-predictable "what-about-western-media" tu quoque that occurs anytime someone leverages a criticism towards any Second World nations is as tired of a counter-propaganda strategy as the propaganda it's used to deflect attention from. Edit: just noticed that you're a self-proclaimed 50 Cent Army member. It's all making sense now - you're an actual propagandist. For anyone curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
    - jcrash 4y ago
      Wow. Sometimes here on HN I've seen comments that totally sound like CCP garbage but didn't have proof that they were actually connected. Thanks
      - JuanPosadas 4y ago
      - trasz 4y ago
        Fascinating how for some Americans everything that is not their own state propaganda sounds suspicious; just like in USSR in the fifties.

z3c0 4y ago

Yes. If this wasn't state-driven, it'd be a somewhat-humorous prank. If it is state-driven, it becomes a situation straight from 1984, where the protagonist's job is quite literally to rewrite history.

kieselguhr_kid 4y ago
Doesn't the fact that it's reported in state-owned media suggest, although not prove, that it's not state driven? Why would they invite extra scrutiny to their disinformation campaign by publishing an article about it?
- z3c0 4y ago
  Not really. It's a common strategy called "controlling the narrative" and it has been in play since the early days of public relations and propaganda, largely considered to be pioneered by Ivy Lee[1]. Regardless, I only posed it being state-driven as a hypothetical anyways. But state media reporting on the matter does little-to-nothing towards disproving that hypothesis. [1]: https://pracademy.co.uk/insights/ivy-lee-and-the-origins-of-the-press-release/ https://pracademy.co.uk/insights/ivy-lee-and-the-origins-of-...
trasz 4y ago
If you applied the same criteria to Western media, you'd conclude that the vast majority of them is state-driven too. (Note that this is not whataboutism, but rather a proof that this behaviour is widespread and pretty much normal, which contrasts with article's rethoric)
- z3c0 4y ago
  I do, and I have. That said, the extremely-predictable "what-about-western-media" tu quoque that occurs anytime someone leverages a criticism towards any Second World nations is as tired of a counter-propaganda strategy as the propaganda it's used to deflect attention from. Edit: just noticed that you're a self-proclaimed 50 Cent Army member. It's all making sense now - you're an actual propagandist. For anyone curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
  - jcrash 4y ago
    Wow. Sometimes here on HN I've seen comments that totally sound like CCP garbage but didn't have proof that they were actually connected. Thanks
    - JuanPosadas 4y ago
    - trasz 4y ago
      Fascinating how for some Americans everything that is not their own state propaganda sounds suspicious; just like in USSR in the fifties.