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> they claimed the American territories as Spanish Against the will of all the natives living in the territory. You can't just show up to a house and claim tha

> they claimed the American territories as Spanish Against the will of all the natives living in the territory. You can't just show up to a house and claim that it's yours and simply take everything out of it and then take it somewhere else and claim that technically you didn't steal anything because you first claimed it yours lol.

Workaccount2 4y ago
When there is no police force (like on the global stage) ownership is determined entirely by what you can protect. Nobody likes this, but there is no alternative.
- barelysapient 4y ago
  It still works this way today: For example Russia <> Ukraine, Russia <> Georgia, China <> Tibet, USA <> Philippines, etc.
User23 4y ago
Depends on the natives. Plenty were happy to have the Spaniards as overlords instead of the frankly comically evil Aztecs.
- barelysapient 4y ago
  I'd love you back up this claim. There's always collaborators when the alternative is death. Or a bribe. That doesn't mean people were happy about. My personal experience after visiting many of the former Spanish territories in Central and South America is that these countries do not fondly remember the las conquistadories--who pillaged, raped and slaughtered their way across the continent while proselytizing Christianity. Many of the people I spoke with lay their countries poverty directly at the feet of Spain and American corporations -- who collectively pillaged their country's natural resources and humiliated indigenous people for over 200 years. This is why Colombia just elected Petro--who's promised to end the looting of Colombia's natural resources, among other things.
  - manuelabeledo 4y ago
    > This is why Colombia just elected Petro--who's promised to end the looting of Colombia's natural resources, among other things. Too little, too late, isn't it? If they have been fed up for the past 200 years.
    - barelysapient 4y ago
      While I argue he's the most recent embodiment of that outrage, the populace has been fighting on and off for over two hundred years. Take the Battle of Boyacá[1] for instance. It was a key turning point where the indigenous population achieved victory over Spanish forces. An event that eventually resulted in the independence of Colombia from Spain and creation of several sovereign states. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Boyac%C3%A1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Boyac%C3%A1
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  They were not comically evil, not sure from which hollywood movie you take your persuasion (apocalypto?)
manuelabeledo 4y ago
> You can't just show up to a house and claim that it's yours In the 1500s, you could.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  People still can (and do in some places) today. Only question is are you able to or will anyone help you defend it.
efsavage 4y ago
That's basically how every nation on Earth was founded.

Workaccount2 4y ago

When there is no police force (like on the global stage) ownership is determined entirely by what you can protect. Nobody likes this, but there is no alternative.

barelysapient 4y ago
It still works this way today: For example Russia <> Ukraine, Russia <> Georgia, China <> Tibet, USA <> Philippines, etc.

User23 4y ago

Depends on the natives. Plenty were happy to have the Spaniards as overlords instead of the frankly comically evil Aztecs.

barelysapient 4y ago
I'd love you back up this claim. There's always collaborators when the alternative is death. Or a bribe. That doesn't mean people were happy about. My personal experience after visiting many of the former Spanish territories in Central and South America is that these countries do not fondly remember the las conquistadories--who pillaged, raped and slaughtered their way across the continent while proselytizing Christianity. Many of the people I spoke with lay their countries poverty directly at the feet of Spain and American corporations -- who collectively pillaged their country's natural resources and humiliated indigenous people for over 200 years. This is why Colombia just elected Petro--who's promised to end the looting of Colombia's natural resources, among other things.
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  > This is why Colombia just elected Petro--who's promised to end the looting of Colombia's natural resources, among other things. Too little, too late, isn't it? If they have been fed up for the past 200 years.
  - barelysapient 4y ago
    While I argue he's the most recent embodiment of that outrage, the populace has been fighting on and off for over two hundred years. Take the Battle of Boyacá[1] for instance. It was a key turning point where the indigenous population achieved victory over Spanish forces. An event that eventually resulted in the independence of Colombia from Spain and creation of several sovereign states. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Boyac%C3%A1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Boyac%C3%A1
saiya-jin 4y ago
They were not comically evil, not sure from which hollywood movie you take your persuasion (apocalypto?)

manuelabeledo 4y ago

> You can't just show up to a house and claim that it's yours In the 1500s, you could.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
People still can (and do in some places) today. Only question is are you able to or will anyone help you defend it.

efsavage 4y ago

That's basically how every nation on Earth was founded.