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> and engineering is looked at as a cost center to be minimized Labor is a cost center to be minimized for a business. Your goal is to make money. If you can

> and engineering is looked at as a cost center to be minimized Labor is a cost center to be minimized for a business. Your goal is to make money. If you can do that by having $0 in labor costs, then you want to. The reason programmers aren't paid in proportion to their productivity is the same that every other profession also is not. You get paid the least your employer can get away with paying you, not what you "deserve". It's better if everyone recognizes this. You probably want to avoid companies where the incentives aren't in place for you to grow.

globalreset 4y ago
> You get paid the least your employer can get away with paying you, not what you "deserve". This approach works only for stuff that won't give you 2 week notice because they have got 10% raise elsewhere. In a real world it would be akin to buying a new car when current one suddenly stops working instead paying for routine service. Maintaining a car is also "a cost", and you can drive it for as little as you "can get away with". The actual real reason is that most management is just bunch of morons busy optimizing for their own success, and no one worrying about any common sense good of the company.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  > The actual real reason is that most management is just bunch of morons busy optimizing for their own success, and no one worrying about any common sense good of the company. Why should management optimize for improving you? Management is planning to job hop to a better future just like you should be doing... We do not live in a utilitarian utopia. The world is not optimized so everyone helps everyone reach their full potential. The people at the top are selfish - by virtue of being selfish, you're more likely to get there. Sure, it's easy to rise to the top if the tide lifts everyone to the top. But most people get to the top by stepping on everyone else's head.
yumaikas 4y ago
> Labor is a cost center to be minimized for a business. It's worth calling out that this is not an absolute value. It's definitely the predominant one, but businesses can and do exist where the core motive is to make sure that everyone working for the company shares in the success of the company equally. And I think it is past time to be challenging that status quo

globalreset 4y ago

> You get paid the least your employer can get away with paying you, not what you "deserve". This approach works only for stuff that won't give you 2 week notice because they have got 10% raise elsewhere. In a real world it would be akin to buying a new car when current one suddenly stops working instead paying for routine service. Maintaining a car is also "a cost", and you can drive it for as little as you "can get away with". The actual real reason is that most management is just bunch of morons busy optimizing for their own success, and no one worrying about any common sense good of the company.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
> The actual real reason is that most management is just bunch of morons busy optimizing for their own success, and no one worrying about any common sense good of the company. Why should management optimize for improving you? Management is planning to job hop to a better future just like you should be doing... We do not live in a utilitarian utopia. The world is not optimized so everyone helps everyone reach their full potential. The people at the top are selfish - by virtue of being selfish, you're more likely to get there. Sure, it's easy to rise to the top if the tide lifts everyone to the top. But most people get to the top by stepping on everyone else's head.

yumaikas 4y ago

> Labor is a cost center to be minimized for a business. It's worth calling out that this is not an absolute value. It's definitely the predominant one, but businesses can and do exist where the core motive is to make sure that everyone working for the company shares in the success of the company equally. And I think it is past time to be challenging that status quo