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>and Europe's population Where are you getting this from? Loads of countries are still rising in population, mostly due to immigration (birthrates of natives a

>and Europe's population Where are you getting this from? Loads of countries are still rising in population, mostly due to immigration (birthrates of natives are below replacement rates). >and they seem to be quite well off. I wouldn't call Europe 'well off', unless your definition solely relies on "well, at least it is a developed country". We're facing multiple crises in several countries, and the younger generations are the ones most likely to pay the price.

muzani 4y ago
A quick Google brings up this list: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fer... I might have been mistaken in saying "Europe" as a whole but European countries are at the bottom of the list. It also seems that the bottom of the list has some economically struggling families, so this correlation could be mistaken. Fertility seems to be a lagging indicator - if someone can't afford a two bedroom apartment, they're just unlikely to have 5 kids.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Have a look at the graphs in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherlands and notice how the growth percentage has only just reached 0%, despite fertility rate having plunged all the way to near 1.5 since the 1970s. What's more, many still predict population growths and the government is still stimulating it through subsidizing children and giving tax breaks to immigrants. The Netherlands is on the cusp of declining, but not declining yet. If you look up the history of fertility rates, most of developed Europe plunged similarly, yet population kept growing well up to now.
  - muzani 4y ago
    That's helpful. I always assumed that fertility rates linked to population growth, but forgot things like immigration.
oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
> Europe's population The growth rate has certainly slowed in the last 30 years or so. From 0.98% in 1960 to 0.37% in 1990 and 0.12% in 2020. But, yes, it's still growing overall. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/europe-population/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/europe-popula...
- concordDance 4y ago
  Note that this growth is not driven by the descendents of those people who were in the country in 1960, but by immigrants and immigration.

muzani 4y ago

A quick Google brings up this list: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fer... I might have been mistaken in saying "Europe" as a whole but European countries are at the bottom of the list. It also seems that the bottom of the list has some economically struggling families, so this correlation could be mistaken. Fertility seems to be a lagging indicator - if someone can't afford a two bedroom apartment, they're just unlikely to have 5 kids.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Have a look at the graphs in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherlands and notice how the growth percentage has only just reached 0%, despite fertility rate having plunged all the way to near 1.5 since the 1970s. What's more, many still predict population growths and the government is still stimulating it through subsidizing children and giving tax breaks to immigrants. The Netherlands is on the cusp of declining, but not declining yet. If you look up the history of fertility rates, most of developed Europe plunged similarly, yet population kept growing well up to now.
- muzani 4y ago
  That's helpful. I always assumed that fertility rates linked to population growth, but forgot things like immigration.

oneeyedpigeon 4y ago

> Europe's population The growth rate has certainly slowed in the last 30 years or so. From 0.98% in 1960 to 0.37% in 1990 and 0.12% in 2020. But, yes, it's still growing overall. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/europe-population/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/europe-popula...

concordDance 4y ago
Note that this growth is not driven by the descendents of those people who were in the country in 1960, but by immigrants and immigration.