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San Francisco Poop Map

28 points by thinkingemote 4y ago

supreme_berry 4y ago
thinkingemote 4y ago
"Initial map to share with students on the problem with poop in San Francisco. Poop Map, reports from 07/19 thru 07/20" If this is similar to http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/ http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/ (from 2017) this is a map listing reports made by individual 311 calls. Wasteland map was 2008-2015, this latest map is just one year. Could be interesting to see how the number of reports change over the years. I tried clicking around a cluster to see if multiple reports were made for the same incident, and so making it look worse that it appears, but they appeared to have different dates. The date format wasn't human readable though.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  I would never have expected such calls creating that much data points, this is crazily detailed. Even for two years this seems like a lot of poop. I mean how many people do call in poop in the first place?
  - adrianN 4y ago
    I would guess it's like one or two dedicated people.
    - pishpash 4y ago
      I mean they have to be cleaned up by the city so that process must be tracked.
    - thinkingemote 4y ago
      The is requests to the city to clean it up, so it's likely to be many people. The city has an app and dedicated phone number for it I think.
  - krautsourced 4y ago
    More I'd hope. There's a good reason for it too, faeces and trash will attract rats and the combination is a good source for all kinds of health issues, especially if you mix it with a large homeless population. Check out the number of Typhus cases in the last years.
  - wojcikstefan 4y ago
    Back when I lived in San Francisco I've met many people who used the SF311 app [0] where you can very quickly snap a picture and report an issue. One person I knew did so multiple times a day every day for many things – poop, trash, etc. The impressive thing was that the authorities would indeed show up often and clean things up. [0]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sf311/id666635420 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sf311/id666635420
serial_dev 4y ago
How am I supposed to interpret the dates? No matter how I look at these numbers, I don't see a date in them: 43827, 43850, 41102.
jbotdev 4y ago
Why is this such a problem in San Francisco, but not so much in other major cities like New York? It’s not like homelessness is exclusive to SF.
EdwardDiego 4y ago
I remember walking through the Tenderloin as the morning hosing shit off building stoops began. On my way, I'd walked past the sole public toilets I'd seen on that street (forget what it was called, ran to Market St, had a big Police station on it), the toilets had a sign stating that they automatically locked at 11pm. I'm not sure what they were worried would happen in the toilets that wasn't happening on the streets, because people were definitely doing all the things on the pavement, but I felt like it wasn't really helping the shit situation.
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moritonal 4y ago
I haven't the time to do the math, but I'd hazard a guess this is to do with several factors: - Density of public toilets. - Perspective of homeless people as more dangerous/violent in SF compared to NY or London. Resulting in them not being allowed to use coffee-shop, station, library toilets. - Problem is too large to police in SF thus passed a critical mass where it can't be policied.
- smcl 4y ago
  What’s the general attitude towards the homeless in SF? Is there a real desire to solve the situation (ie provide facilities for day-to-day needs of the homeless, health care and rehabilitation for anyone who needs it, and a path to getting accommodation), or do people want the police to shoo them from wherever they happen to be every now and then?
  - ageitgey 4y ago
    It's very complicated and you will get different takes from different people. It's not a simple situation. There a few factors that make homelessness in SF particularly difficult to solve in my opinion: - Very large unsheltered population relative to total population. SF is only ~850,000 people and of those, ~4,500 people are sleeping on the street on any given night [1] and another ~3,500 in shelters (low end estimates based on point-in-time counts, probably much higher numbers over the course of a year). In other words, around 1% of the city's population is unsheltered and a lot of that population is concentrated in a few areas. That's not counting the many people who are technically homeless but not actually living on the street. - There are a lot of services to treat the symptoms of homelessness (shelters, food programs, drug programs, etc) and tons of money spent, but nothing is realistically working towards just permanently housing these 7,500 - 8,500 people en mass. So there's no end to the money spent and relatively small permanent results. Of course housing in general is in very short supply in SF, which makes this harder. - SF is so expensive that the idea of someone going from living on the street to affording permanent residence sounds more like a miracle than a realistic option. - Many of the unsheltered have mental issues and would require legal intervention to get them off the street, which is not currently happening. - There is a far left contingent of the population who thinks the idea of criticizing how someone lives or trying to more strongly intervene to get them off the street is wrong/immoral/whatever. - The problem is so bad (and has been for so long) that I don't think anyone is really thinking big enough or working on anything radical enough to make a big change. Obviously lots of money is spent and lots of individuals work really hard on the issue, but no one has figured how to really change the overall situation. [1] https://hsh.sfgov.org/get-involved/2022-pit-count/ https://hsh.sfgov.org/get-involved/2022-pit-count/

28 points by thinkingemote 4y ago

"Initial map to share with students on the problem with poop in San Francisco. Poop Map, reports from 07/19 thru 07/20" If this is similar to http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/ http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/ (from 2017) this is a map listing reports made by individual 311 calls. Wasteland map was 2008-2015, this latest map is just one year. Could be interesting to see how the number of reports change over the years. I tried clicking around a cluster to see if multiple reports were made for the same incident, and so making it look worse that it appears, but they appeared to have different dates. The date format wasn't human readable though.

raxxorraxor 4y ago
I would never have expected such calls creating that much data points, this is crazily detailed. Even for two years this seems like a lot of poop. I mean how many people do call in poop in the first place?
- adrianN 4y ago
  I would guess it's like one or two dedicated people.
  - pishpash 4y ago
    I mean they have to be cleaned up by the city so that process must be tracked.
  - thinkingemote 4y ago
    The is requests to the city to clean it up, so it's likely to be many people. The city has an app and dedicated phone number for it I think.
- krautsourced 4y ago
  More I'd hope. There's a good reason for it too, faeces and trash will attract rats and the combination is a good source for all kinds of health issues, especially if you mix it with a large homeless population. Check out the number of Typhus cases in the last years.
- wojcikstefan 4y ago
  Back when I lived in San Francisco I've met many people who used the SF311 app [0] where you can very quickly snap a picture and report an issue. One person I knew did so multiple times a day every day for many things – poop, trash, etc. The impressive thing was that the authorities would indeed show up often and clean things up. [0]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sf311/id666635420 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sf311/id666635420

serial_dev 4y ago

How am I supposed to interpret the dates? No matter how I look at these numbers, I don't see a date in them: 43827, 43850, 41102.

jbotdev 4y ago

Why is this such a problem in San Francisco, but not so much in other major cities like New York? It’s not like homelessness is exclusive to SF.

EdwardDiego 4y ago

I remember walking through the Tenderloin as the morning hosing shit off building stoops began. On my way, I'd walked past the sole public toilets I'd seen on that street (forget what it was called, ran to Market St, had a big Police station on it), the toilets had a sign stating that they automatically locked at 11pm. I'm not sure what they were worried would happen in the toilets that wasn't happening on the streets, because people were definitely doing all the things on the pavement, but I felt like it wasn't really helping the shit situation.

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moritonal 4y ago

I haven't the time to do the math, but I'd hazard a guess this is to do with several factors: - Density of public toilets. - Perspective of homeless people as more dangerous/violent in SF compared to NY or London. Resulting in them not being allowed to use coffee-shop, station, library toilets. - Problem is too large to police in SF thus passed a critical mass where it can't be policied.

smcl 4y ago
What’s the general attitude towards the homeless in SF? Is there a real desire to solve the situation (ie provide facilities for day-to-day needs of the homeless, health care and rehabilitation for anyone who needs it, and a path to getting accommodation), or do people want the police to shoo them from wherever they happen to be every now and then?
- ageitgey 4y ago
  It's very complicated and you will get different takes from different people. It's not a simple situation. There a few factors that make homelessness in SF particularly difficult to solve in my opinion: - Very large unsheltered population relative to total population. SF is only ~850,000 people and of those, ~4,500 people are sleeping on the street on any given night [1] and another ~3,500 in shelters (low end estimates based on point-in-time counts, probably much higher numbers over the course of a year). In other words, around 1% of the city's population is unsheltered and a lot of that population is concentrated in a few areas. That's not counting the many people who are technically homeless but not actually living on the street. - There are a lot of services to treat the symptoms of homelessness (shelters, food programs, drug programs, etc) and tons of money spent, but nothing is realistically working towards just permanently housing these 7,500 - 8,500 people en mass. So there's no end to the money spent and relatively small permanent results. Of course housing in general is in very short supply in SF, which makes this harder. - SF is so expensive that the idea of someone going from living on the street to affording permanent residence sounds more like a miracle than a realistic option. - Many of the unsheltered have mental issues and would require legal intervention to get them off the street, which is not currently happening. - There is a far left contingent of the population who thinks the idea of criticizing how someone lives or trying to more strongly intervene to get them off the street is wrong/immoral/whatever. - The problem is so bad (and has been for so long) that I don't think anyone is really thinking big enough or working on anything radical enough to make a big change. Obviously lots of money is spent and lots of individuals work really hard on the issue, but no one has figured how to really change the overall situation. [1] https://hsh.sfgov.org/get-involved/2022-pit-count/ https://hsh.sfgov.org/get-involved/2022-pit-count/