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Is childcare stigmatized, or is the price floor higher than you're willing to pay? Maybe both and they're related? This is interesting.

by upveto 4y ago

nvahalik 4y ago
Smaller families mean that children don’t participate like they used to. Electronics mean that kids do their own thing. Family life doesn’t seem as “close” as it once was.
- qwertyX99 4y ago
  ELectronics is not the problem. Its a symptom of kids not being able to play outside (If streets were filled with kids like they used to in the old days, do you think your child would prefer the ipad?) Kids cant play outside because the outside is filled with 2 tons killer machines i.e cars r/fuckcars r/bancars
  - galfarragem 4y ago
    > Kids cant play outside because the outside is filled with 2 tons killer machines i.e cars r/fuckcars r/bancars Kids can't play outside because parents don't allow them to. Single childs were traditionally more protected once they are naturally considered more "precious" and they are slowly becoming the norm. Large family's kids still play outside specially the ones from poor families.
    - actfrench 4y ago
      I have friends that bring their computer or ipad to the park and work while the kids play.
      - galfarragem 4y ago
        Some anecdata: where I live, gypsy and african descent kids play all afternoon (or all day during weekends and school holidays) outside with minor if any parents guidance. Other kids, rarely.
    - qwertyX99 4y ago
      I meant play outside unsupervised like in the old days. Why don't parents allow them outside (unsupervised)? One big reason is due to cars(also due to over-hyped media stories about kidnapping). Think about it, would you let your kids play outside? If you dont have kids, trust me you wouldn't. Not to mention its not even legal anymore, social services get called if they see a 10 year old outside alone (UK where I live)
      - zaphar 4y ago
        We raised our kids in a large city in America. Perhaps we just bypassed this trend but we totally let our kids play outside unsupervised. We set boundaries and taught them the necessary skills to do so safely but then we let the go and play. And we lived on a pretty busy street. There are age considerations of course and we had a large family for the time (5 kids) so there was a wide range of ages with the elder kids watching the younger ones. Maye we are just outliers but I don't think the reason is necessarily cars.
    - actfrench 4y ago
      Yes, there's a whole movement around Risky Play and not coddling your kids. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/parenting/risky-play.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/parenting/risky-play.html
- actfrench 4y ago
  There's a photo I saw recently of a family sitting together on the couch - each person on their iphone. Particularly post-pandemic, it's hard to go backwards and get kids off their devices. I think it is perfectly good for families to set a boundary around this and insist on tech free time together, or just take everyone to the park with no wifi available. We can create the culture that we want in our homes.
- runjake 4y ago
  Electronics helped in getting the kids outside more. They have more freedom and independence and we can keep track of them and get in touch with them when needed. We also set their iPhones with a green "Uber" iOS Shortcut button that they can press and it will auto-text us a "Pick me up", along with the address and lat/lng of their location. We have another red "SOS" button that does the same and triggers a different response.
willcipriano 4y ago
We send her to daycare but wouldn't be comfortable hiring a random babysitter we don't know to watch her. When I was a kid, I was with grandma and grandpa quite often, probably once a week on average. They would pick me up and take me out at least once a month.
- actfrench 4y ago
  I definitely can see that hiring a "random babysitter" would be uncomfortable and a terrible thing to do for your child. Here are some ways to find a trusted sitter: Ask for referrals from your local parent group Ask for referrals from professors at your local college/university Actors can be wonderful babysitters. They are somewhat overqualified and need Hire from your local afterschool program Hire one of your daycare teachers Search care.com and sittercity for works like Montessori and Waldorf. You can find trained sitters there. Consider a service like Safesitter that certifies babysitters In order to establish trust with your child, pay them to have a playdate with you and your child present so you can get to know them.
actfrench 4y ago
Seems like they are uncomfortable leaving their child with someone they don't know well and the child is EXTREMELY uncomfortable with it:)
sethammons 4y ago
15 years ago, due to poor earnings, had my wife gone to work, she would have only earned $20 per day after day care expenses were taken out. We opted for her staying at home.

Is childcare stigmatized, or is the price floor higher than you're willing to pay? Maybe both and they're related? This is interesting.

by upveto 4y ago

Is childcare stigmatized, or is the price floor higher than you're willing to pay? Maybe both and they're related? This is interesting.

nvahalik 4y ago

Smaller families mean that children don’t participate like they used to. Electronics mean that kids do their own thing. Family life doesn’t seem as “close” as it once was.

qwertyX99 4y ago
ELectronics is not the problem. Its a symptom of kids not being able to play outside (If streets were filled with kids like they used to in the old days, do you think your child would prefer the ipad?) Kids cant play outside because the outside is filled with 2 tons killer machines i.e cars r/fuckcars r/bancars
- galfarragem 4y ago
  > Kids cant play outside because the outside is filled with 2 tons killer machines i.e cars r/fuckcars r/bancars Kids can't play outside because parents don't allow them to. Single childs were traditionally more protected once they are naturally considered more "precious" and they are slowly becoming the norm. Large family's kids still play outside specially the ones from poor families.
  - actfrench 4y ago
    I have friends that bring their computer or ipad to the park and work while the kids play.
    - galfarragem 4y ago
      Some anecdata: where I live, gypsy and african descent kids play all afternoon (or all day during weekends and school holidays) outside with minor if any parents guidance. Other kids, rarely.
  - qwertyX99 4y ago
    I meant play outside unsupervised like in the old days. Why don't parents allow them outside (unsupervised)? One big reason is due to cars(also due to over-hyped media stories about kidnapping). Think about it, would you let your kids play outside? If you dont have kids, trust me you wouldn't. Not to mention its not even legal anymore, social services get called if they see a 10 year old outside alone (UK where I live)
    - zaphar 4y ago
      We raised our kids in a large city in America. Perhaps we just bypassed this trend but we totally let our kids play outside unsupervised. We set boundaries and taught them the necessary skills to do so safely but then we let the go and play. And we lived on a pretty busy street. There are age considerations of course and we had a large family for the time (5 kids) so there was a wide range of ages with the elder kids watching the younger ones. Maye we are just outliers but I don't think the reason is necessarily cars.
  - actfrench 4y ago
    Yes, there's a whole movement around Risky Play and not coddling your kids. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/parenting/risky-play.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/parenting/risky-play.html
actfrench 4y ago
There's a photo I saw recently of a family sitting together on the couch - each person on their iphone. Particularly post-pandemic, it's hard to go backwards and get kids off their devices. I think it is perfectly good for families to set a boundary around this and insist on tech free time together, or just take everyone to the park with no wifi available. We can create the culture that we want in our homes.
runjake 4y ago
Electronics helped in getting the kids outside more. They have more freedom and independence and we can keep track of them and get in touch with them when needed. We also set their iPhones with a green "Uber" iOS Shortcut button that they can press and it will auto-text us a "Pick me up", along with the address and lat/lng of their location. We have another red "SOS" button that does the same and triggers a different response.

willcipriano 4y ago

We send her to daycare but wouldn't be comfortable hiring a random babysitter we don't know to watch her. When I was a kid, I was with grandma and grandpa quite often, probably once a week on average. They would pick me up and take me out at least once a month.

actfrench 4y ago
I definitely can see that hiring a "random babysitter" would be uncomfortable and a terrible thing to do for your child. Here are some ways to find a trusted sitter: Ask for referrals from your local parent group Ask for referrals from professors at your local college/university Actors can be wonderful babysitters. They are somewhat overqualified and need Hire from your local afterschool program Hire one of your daycare teachers Search care.com and sittercity for works like Montessori and Waldorf. You can find trained sitters there. Consider a service like Safesitter that certifies babysitters In order to establish trust with your child, pay them to have a playdate with you and your child present so you can get to know them.

actfrench 4y ago

Seems like they are uncomfortable leaving their child with someone they don't know well and the child is EXTREMELY uncomfortable with it:)

sethammons 4y ago

15 years ago, due to poor earnings, had my wife gone to work, she would have only earned $20 per day after day care expenses were taken out. We opted for her staying at home.