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Did you parents have a hard time banning Playboy magazine and cigs, even though other kids had access?

by digisign 4y ago

SantalBlush 4y ago
Using apps like TikTok is more about participating in pop culture, which is very important for young people.
- digisign 4y ago
  I'd invite you to read the grandparent's post again, all the way to the end. People tend to forget today but smoking was a very social activity done by all the 'cool kids.'
  - SantalBlush 4y ago
    I read it, thanks. Do you know what proportion of young TikTok users are smearing crap on walls? Of course you don't. But you're quick to advocate for banning the entire app because of an outrageous story. This sort of ban-happy moral panic has happened with comic books, rock and roll, video games, etc. It's a tale as old as the hills.
    - digisign 4y ago
      Kids copy what they see, obviously. I have a great story regarding Mr. Hankey from South Park. Morality is not the primary concern here in my mind. Submitting to sophisticated corporate manipulation and surveillance is not a path to success for the vast majority. The dangers are well documented (see sibling comments), utility outweighed. Something from today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31920756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31920756
    - actfrench 4y ago
      The filthy content was an aside. The bigger concern is the mechanisms built within the app that make it addictive and the abundant research we’ve seen on how this is adversely impacting mental health in teens, leading to depression, anxiety, self-mutilation and suicide.
      - SantalBlush 4y ago
        If the opinions in this thread I replied to were driven by research, then they would have supplied a link to some of the research and discussed that. Instead, they were discussing an anecdote about kids smearing shit on walls. For the record, TikTok is ridiculous. But let's not put on airs and pretend these opinions are driven by research. They're not.
assttoasstmgr 4y ago
Are you really drawing an equivalency between a kid stashing some Playboys under his bed or in the woods, vs. having a device in his pocket where he is always one click away from access to a seemingly endless library of the most depraved filth and fetishes imaginable, beheading videos, etc?
- actfrench 4y ago
  Yeah, I recommend a look at Nir Eyal's book "Hooked." It's pretty great at describing this phenomena. Also here's a brief overview just the tip of the iceberg about social media and teens https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/teens-and-social-media-use/art-20474437#:~:text=Social%20media%20harms&text=Another%202019%20study%20of%20more,and%20depression%20or%20anxiety%20symptoms https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-....
- digisign 4y ago
  You seem to have taken a wrong turn somewhere. If you're not being sarcastic, I'd also recommend starting the thread over.

Did you parents have a hard time banning Playboy magazine and cigs, even though other kids had access?

SantalBlush 4y ago

Using apps like TikTok is more about participating in pop culture, which is very important for young people.

digisign 4y ago
I'd invite you to read the grandparent's post again, all the way to the end. People tend to forget today but smoking was a very social activity done by all the 'cool kids.'
- SantalBlush 4y ago
  I read it, thanks. Do you know what proportion of young TikTok users are smearing crap on walls? Of course you don't. But you're quick to advocate for banning the entire app because of an outrageous story. This sort of ban-happy moral panic has happened with comic books, rock and roll, video games, etc. It's a tale as old as the hills.
  - digisign 4y ago
    Kids copy what they see, obviously. I have a great story regarding Mr. Hankey from South Park. Morality is not the primary concern here in my mind. Submitting to sophisticated corporate manipulation and surveillance is not a path to success for the vast majority. The dangers are well documented (see sibling comments), utility outweighed. Something from today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31920756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31920756
  - actfrench 4y ago
    The filthy content was an aside. The bigger concern is the mechanisms built within the app that make it addictive and the abundant research we’ve seen on how this is adversely impacting mental health in teens, leading to depression, anxiety, self-mutilation and suicide.
    - SantalBlush 4y ago
      If the opinions in this thread I replied to were driven by research, then they would have supplied a link to some of the research and discussed that. Instead, they were discussing an anecdote about kids smearing shit on walls. For the record, TikTok is ridiculous. But let's not put on airs and pretend these opinions are driven by research. They're not.

assttoasstmgr 4y ago

Are you really drawing an equivalency between a kid stashing some Playboys under his bed or in the woods, vs. having a device in his pocket where he is always one click away from access to a seemingly endless library of the most depraved filth and fetishes imaginable, beheading videos, etc?

actfrench 4y ago
Yeah, I recommend a look at Nir Eyal's book "Hooked." It's pretty great at describing this phenomena. Also here's a brief overview just the tip of the iceberg about social media and teens https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/teens-and-social-media-use/art-20474437#:~:text=Social%20media%20harms&text=Another%202019%20study%20of%20more,and%20depression%20or%20anxiety%20symptoms https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-....
digisign 4y ago
You seem to have taken a wrong turn somewhere. If you're not being sarcastic, I'd also recommend starting the thread over.