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Gun registries only exist to support eventual confiscation via further erosion of 2A rights, such as red flag laws, assault weapons bans, and other restrictions

Gun registries only exist to support eventual confiscation via further erosion of 2A rights, such as red flag laws, assault weapons bans, and other restrictions on ownership.

peter422 4y ago
So we can have separate state registries of: residents, voters, drivers, students, people on disability, people who are unemployed, among others, but gun owners would be too much?
- timapplesauce 4y ago
  - hackyhacky 4y ago
    > What is the purpose of a gun registry other than to enable confiscation? The purpose is to ensure that the guns are in the possession of the registered owner, and not sold illegally; to ensure that the gun is being stored in a safe manner that will not lead to its theft or accidentally use; and so that the government can call upon lawful gun owners to defend their country in time of need. There really has been no tradition of forced weapon confiscation in this country, and I think your insinuation to the contrary is born of paranoia.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      > There really has been no tradition of forced weapon confiscation in this country, and I think your insinuation to the contrary is born of paranoia. Multiple elected officials have said they want to start such a tradition, e.g., Mark Warner (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-action-should-be-taken-on-guns-we-asked-every-senator https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-action-should-be-...), Beto O'Rourke, Kamala Harris, and Cory Booker (https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/politics/beto-orourke-guns-democratic-debate/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/politics/beto-orourke-guns-de...). How is it paranoia to think they'll do exactly what they said they want to do?
      - hackyhacky 4y ago
        I'll definitely keep that line of argument in mind next time my rightist friends tell me I'm being paranoid for taking Justice Thomas at his word when he says he wants to roll back gay marriage and contraception.
- parineum 4y ago
  > residents social security is for determining who to pay and who not to pay. > voters voter registration is to determine who can and cannot vote > drivers driver registration is for determining who can and cannot drive > students is this even true? > people on disability, people who are unemployed again, for determining who to give money to (people are free not to file). those are voluntary > but gun owners would be too much to what end? it seems like the purpose of all of those other registries is to know who they should take away benefit of the program from.
  - peter422 4y ago
    To determine who can and cannot concealed carry a gun. Why does a driver and car need to go on a registry? You just said that was ok.
    - Ekaros 4y ago
      Why should there be any need to determine who can concealed carry? It should be inalienable right afforded to anyone, but those currently at the moment incarcerated.
      - peter422 4y ago
        I assume “anybody” includes people with 0 hours of gun training, convicted felons, children, non-residents, non-citizens and those with serious mental illnesses? A right is a right!
        Ekaros 4y ago
        Exactly. Only reasonable limitation I see is those currently incarcerated. Even those on probation should have the right.
hackyhacky 4y ago
Is that true in Switzerland as well? Seems that there they have a lot of guns and a lot of regulation, and so far no mass confiscation.

Gun registries only exist to support eventual confiscation via further erosion of 2A rights, such as red flag laws, assault weapons bans, and other restrictions on ownership.

peter422 4y ago

So we can have separate state registries of: residents, voters, drivers, students, people on disability, people who are unemployed, among others, but gun owners would be too much?

timapplesauce 4y ago
- hackyhacky 4y ago
  > What is the purpose of a gun registry other than to enable confiscation? The purpose is to ensure that the guns are in the possession of the registered owner, and not sold illegally; to ensure that the gun is being stored in a safe manner that will not lead to its theft or accidentally use; and so that the government can call upon lawful gun owners to defend their country in time of need. There really has been no tradition of forced weapon confiscation in this country, and I think your insinuation to the contrary is born of paranoia.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    > There really has been no tradition of forced weapon confiscation in this country, and I think your insinuation to the contrary is born of paranoia. Multiple elected officials have said they want to start such a tradition, e.g., Mark Warner (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-action-should-be-taken-on-guns-we-asked-every-senator https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-action-should-be-...), Beto O'Rourke, Kamala Harris, and Cory Booker (https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/politics/beto-orourke-guns-democratic-debate/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/politics/beto-orourke-guns-de...). How is it paranoia to think they'll do exactly what they said they want to do?
    - hackyhacky 4y ago
      I'll definitely keep that line of argument in mind next time my rightist friends tell me I'm being paranoid for taking Justice Thomas at his word when he says he wants to roll back gay marriage and contraception.
parineum 4y ago
> residents social security is for determining who to pay and who not to pay. > voters voter registration is to determine who can and cannot vote > drivers driver registration is for determining who can and cannot drive > students is this even true? > people on disability, people who are unemployed again, for determining who to give money to (people are free not to file). those are voluntary > but gun owners would be too much to what end? it seems like the purpose of all of those other registries is to know who they should take away benefit of the program from.
- peter422 4y ago
  To determine who can and cannot concealed carry a gun. Why does a driver and car need to go on a registry? You just said that was ok.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Why should there be any need to determine who can concealed carry? It should be inalienable right afforded to anyone, but those currently at the moment incarcerated.
    - peter422 4y ago
      I assume “anybody” includes people with 0 hours of gun training, convicted felons, children, non-residents, non-citizens and those with serious mental illnesses? A right is a right!
      - Ekaros 4y ago
        Exactly. Only reasonable limitation I see is those currently incarcerated. Even those on probation should have the right.

hackyhacky 4y ago

Is that true in Switzerland as well? Seems that there they have a lot of guns and a lot of regulation, and so far no mass confiscation.