8 ms·
Glad this is still being actively developed! A little bit odd, perhaps, for an email client to feature Matrix chat functionality but no support for Exchange ac
by krono 4y ago
Glad this is still being actively developed!
A little bit odd, perhaps, for an email client to feature Matrix chat functionality but no support for Exchange accounts. Hope it's on their roadmap though.
- tristan957 4y agoWhy does Thunderbird have to support Exchange and not Microsoft support Thunderbird?
- Barrin92 4y agobecause the latter is dominant in the market and you don't get to dictate the terms when you're on life support.
- cube00 4y agoJust look at all the specialisation they had to add to work with GMail's "interpretation" of OAuth2 under threat of regular app passwords being removed by Google.
- tristan957 4y agoThunderbird raised over 2 million dollars last year. They aren't on life support. They don't need to implement Exchange.
- Beltalowda 4y agoExchange does support IMAP, and it works well with Thunderbird. A lot of administrators like to disable it though, but you can't lay the blame for that on Microsoft. You can still use proxies for Exchange's protocol to IMAP and use Exchange with Thunderbird that way. The last time I did this it worked quite well, but does take a bit of time to set up.
- Tainnor 4y agoIMAP doesn't support 2FA which is probably the reason why more security-conscious businesses generally disable it.
- jeroenhd 4y agoIMAP supports OAuth2 and if you set up an IMAP account in Thunderbird for a Google/Microsoft account, you get a standard OAuth2 popup with all the bells and whistles. It's possible that your Yubikey/Titan Security Key doesn't get recognised by the in-application browser window, but IMAP definitely support this standard. When the token's been retrieved there's obviously no 2FA, but neither is there any 2FA for Exchange once it's been set up.
- zerocrates 4y agoYou can do 2FA with IMAP, it's the standard setup nowadays in Thunderbird for Gmail, and I've set up an O365 account that way too. You can use OAuth as the auth method and have it work that way.
- Beltalowda 4y agoAdministrators have been doing it well before 2FA was in common use.
- smaudet 4y agoWhy? I can't tell if it's just being lazy or there is some FUD. Owa is a poor client on multiple accounts...
- jeroenhd 4y agoIt's quite strange to see IMAP/SMTP disabled like that, especially with 2FA having been available in Thunderbird for ages now. I'm guessing it's paranoia and not being up to date with IMAP's extensions over the years.
- oorza 4y agoSecObs (https://swagitda.com/blog/posts/the-security-obstructionism-secobs-market/ https://swagitda.com/blog/posts/the-security-obstructionism-...) at it again!
- pmontra 4y agoExchange is a server you might want to connect to with its proprietary protocol. Thunderbird is only a client and Mozilla already makes it work on Windows. What would Microsoft have to do to support it that's not already done by Mozilla?
- tristan957 4y agoNot use a proprietary protocol or alternatively implement support for it in Thunderbird.
- pmontra 4y agoThey do support POP3 and IMAP. Admin choice whether to enable it or not. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/Exchange/clients/pop3-and-imap4/configure-imap4?view=exchserver-2019 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/Exchange/clients/pop3-and-i...
- MengerSponge 4y agoIt's annoying to have the extra subscription, but Beonex's Owl works well, and is recommended by by university IT department.
- krono 4y agoOutlook might be bad, but I also don't think Thunderbird is worth the $200 in yearly Owl subscription fees (with their per account and per device licensing) it'd cost me to make the switch :)
- cycomanic 4y agoI'm surprised that davmail is not mentioned more often when talking about exchange support. It's an exchange to imap/caldav/LDAP translator, so you just run it in the background and connect to a local running server. It works very well in my experience (much better than exchanges IMAP support which has been extremely flaky for me).