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Yes, this comes down to very specific state rules. In college I would find deals on guns on Backpage, buy them cheap, and then resell them at a much higher lis

Yes, this comes down to very specific state rules. In college I would find deals on guns on Backpage, buy them cheap, and then resell them at a much higher listed price. No background checks were required for private sales, so all I had to check was that the person had a driver's license for the correct state when I sold it, and even then no bill of sale or info was required. Make your selling process known, and you'll get some very sketchy buyers that are willing to pay high prices, and it's all technically legal as the seller as you don't even need to ask if the buyer is legally able to purchase a firearm, and it helps fund college tuition.

SkinTaco 4y ago
This is not a gotcha question, and I'm asking because my answer would be no and I'm curious what you have to add to my thoughts. Do you ever feel bad about selling guns to people who have been convicted of a severe enough crime to not be able to buy one directly?
- Ancapistani 4y ago
  I’m not the GP, but I’ve sold a few face-to-face. I find that intuition is far more reliable than documentation anyhow. I’ve turned down several sales because the buyer struck me as irresponsible.
  - snypher 4y ago
    Lots of people will only private sale to someone with a concealed permit as it acts as a form of 'good guy' card.
- lovich 4y ago
- hellojesus 4y ago
  I never had any evidence of the buyers not being legally able to own them. I simply checked to make sure they were a resident of the state via their driver's license. Having a higher willingness to pay could be a whole bunch of things; I just found there was a curious number of buyers that would pay over the going rate, which in a free market may have meant there was a reason for it. I also take ideological issue with the felons cannot own firearms rules. Imo, if you've served your time, your debt to society was served, and your rights should be restored. I was never under the impression that these weapons would be used for violent crime.
vdqtp3 4y ago
That, however, is acting as an unlicensed dealer and is federally illegal. The exception would be if you legitimately wanted to own them and happened to want to sell them later. The profit being a happy accident in that case.
- hellojesus 4y ago
  Right. And clearly that was my motive. Always happy to find a buyer later to help pay for the rounds I put through that weapon at the range.
lazide 4y ago
FYI, depending on when that happened, that was almost certainly federally illegal. Felony federally illegally. 1) acting as a dealer (buying with intent to resell - aka 'dealing in firearms' [https://fflconsultinggroup.com/federal-firearms-license-what-is-it-and-do-you-need-one/ https://fflconsultinggroup.com/federal-firearms-license-what...]) 2) likely selling to those who were not residents in the same state (you mention drivers licenses 'for the correct state', which implies not all the same state) [https://thefirearmfirm.com/gifting-or-selling-a-firearm-across-state-lines/ https://thefirearmfirm.com/gifting-or-selling-a-firearm-acro...] 3) selling to those you reasonably suspect may not be eligible to own. [https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/4/buying-and-selling-a-firearm-giving-someone-a-gun/ https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/4/buying-and-selling-a...]

SkinTaco 4y ago

This is not a gotcha question, and I'm asking because my answer would be no and I'm curious what you have to add to my thoughts. Do you ever feel bad about selling guns to people who have been convicted of a severe enough crime to not be able to buy one directly?

Ancapistani 4y ago
I’m not the GP, but I’ve sold a few face-to-face. I find that intuition is far more reliable than documentation anyhow. I’ve turned down several sales because the buyer struck me as irresponsible.
- snypher 4y ago
  Lots of people will only private sale to someone with a concealed permit as it acts as a form of 'good guy' card.
lovich 4y ago
hellojesus 4y ago
I never had any evidence of the buyers not being legally able to own them. I simply checked to make sure they were a resident of the state via their driver's license. Having a higher willingness to pay could be a whole bunch of things; I just found there was a curious number of buyers that would pay over the going rate, which in a free market may have meant there was a reason for it. I also take ideological issue with the felons cannot own firearms rules. Imo, if you've served your time, your debt to society was served, and your rights should be restored. I was never under the impression that these weapons would be used for violent crime.

vdqtp3 4y ago

That, however, is acting as an unlicensed dealer and is federally illegal. The exception would be if you legitimately wanted to own them and happened to want to sell them later. The profit being a happy accident in that case.

hellojesus 4y ago
Right. And clearly that was my motive. Always happy to find a buyer later to help pay for the rounds I put through that weapon at the range.

lazide 4y ago

FYI, depending on when that happened, that was almost certainly federally illegal. Felony federally illegally. 1) acting as a dealer (buying with intent to resell - aka 'dealing in firearms' [https://fflconsultinggroup.com/federal-firearms-license-what-is-it-and-do-you-need-one/ https://fflconsultinggroup.com/federal-firearms-license-what...]) 2) likely selling to those who were not residents in the same state (you mention drivers licenses 'for the correct state', which implies not all the same state) [https://thefirearmfirm.com/gifting-or-selling-a-firearm-across-state-lines/ https://thefirearmfirm.com/gifting-or-selling-a-firearm-acro...] 3) selling to those you reasonably suspect may not be eligible to own. [https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/4/buying-and-selling-a-firearm-giving-someone-a-gun/ https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/4/buying-and-selling-a...]