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I believe this is the report and if remember right it's on page 52 or maybe 54. Decide for yourself. https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/ohrc-interim-report-

I believe this is the report and if remember right it's on page 52 or maybe 54. Decide for yourself. https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/ohrc-interim-report-toronto-police-service-inquiry-shows-disturbing-results https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/ohrc-interim-report-to... edit: nvm I'm dumb; it's not that but the report is named 9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf if you can find it on its own. You can google "tps force report 2018 -2020 pdf". I'd find it myself but I'm downloading a 12mb pdf that's taking forever and I'm pretty sure this is the one.

themitigating 4y ago
This isn't what this Hackernews post is about. You complained about people not understanding nuance but you want to dive right into argument about the police and minorities?
- evandale 4y ago
  I'm responding to the claim that Twitter and Facebook ban points of view they don't want people to see and I'm pointing out Reddit does the exact same thing.
  - lovich 4y ago
    So how many times on a weekly basis would you say you bring up the numbers 13 and 50?
    - evandale 4y ago
      0 Why?
      - lovich 4y ago
        Because that’s the level of discourse I’d expect from someone claiming that the statistics show it’s black people at fault for their over representation in police brutality instances while linking a study that has this prominently in the abstract > The SIU Director’s Reports reveal instances where there was a lack of a legal basis for police stopping Black civilians in the first place, inappropriate searches and unnecessary charges or arrests. The reports and legal decisions also raise broader concerns about officer misconduct, transparency and accountability. > The data shows an over-representation of Black people in use of force cases that result in serious injury or death. And yes I saw your edit, but no I don’t care. You’re bringing up the same tired arguments that have been discounted over and over and then you end up linking studies disproving your point but we should consider you’re replacement cherry picked article? I’ll be charitable and assume you are arguing in completely good faith. Unfortunately your topic looks _exactly_ like one that is being pushed by people lieing for political gain at the expense of an oppressed group. If you want to overcome peoples legitimate reaction to your points that are completely indistinguishable in both content and tone from racists whose arguments were proven to be based on lies and omissions, then you need to come with a much higher quality of evidence and discourse
        evandale 4y ago
        Did you find and read the report named 9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf? You might want to do that and read it before accusing people of being racist. It has a table showing how often suspects have weapons when the police show up broken down by race. Whenever there is an argument between two sides, find the third side.
        lovich 4y ago
        You repeated arguments that have been debunked numerous times You linked a study explicitly stating the opposite of your assumption You now want me to go through tomes of data to be convinced to your side. No, come up with something new that doesn't require us to do a bunch of work for you. Your arguments are tired and were not gonna waste more time on them.
        evandale 4y ago
        I'll link it later then when I'm home. It's called 9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf and it's the first result when I use these results: https://www.google.com/search?q=tps+force+report+2018+-2020+pdf https://www.google.com/search?q=tps+force+report+2018+-2020+... I've explained why I can't link directly. It's somewhere on page 52 or maybe 54. It might be in the 60s but it's in that range. There is a table you can ctrl-f for and it has stats broken down by race and the weapon the person has when police respond to calls. The third side here is that police disproportionately use force against people who have weapons. I hope you can find the table on your own because I gave you everything you need to find out. If not, I'll reply in an a few hours or so with a direct link.
        evandale 4y ago
        Actually here it is. I finally found it but had to use Yandex. Google was giving me different results. https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/9082-2018-...
        4y ago

themitigating 4y ago

This isn't what this Hackernews post is about. You complained about people not understanding nuance but you want to dive right into argument about the police and minorities?

evandale 4y ago
I'm responding to the claim that Twitter and Facebook ban points of view they don't want people to see and I'm pointing out Reddit does the exact same thing.
- lovich 4y ago
  So how many times on a weekly basis would you say you bring up the numbers 13 and 50?
  - evandale 4y ago
    0 Why?
    - lovich 4y ago
      Because that’s the level of discourse I’d expect from someone claiming that the statistics show it’s black people at fault for their over representation in police brutality instances while linking a study that has this prominently in the abstract > The SIU Director’s Reports reveal instances where there was a lack of a legal basis for police stopping Black civilians in the first place, inappropriate searches and unnecessary charges or arrests. The reports and legal decisions also raise broader concerns about officer misconduct, transparency and accountability. > The data shows an over-representation of Black people in use of force cases that result in serious injury or death. And yes I saw your edit, but no I don’t care. You’re bringing up the same tired arguments that have been discounted over and over and then you end up linking studies disproving your point but we should consider you’re replacement cherry picked article? I’ll be charitable and assume you are arguing in completely good faith. Unfortunately your topic looks _exactly_ like one that is being pushed by people lieing for political gain at the expense of an oppressed group. If you want to overcome peoples legitimate reaction to your points that are completely indistinguishable in both content and tone from racists whose arguments were proven to be based on lies and omissions, then you need to come with a much higher quality of evidence and discourse
      - evandale 4y ago
        Did you find and read the report named 9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf? You might want to do that and read it before accusing people of being racist. It has a table showing how often suspects have weapons when the police show up broken down by race. Whenever there is an argument between two sides, find the third side.
        lovich 4y ago
        You repeated arguments that have been debunked numerous times You linked a study explicitly stating the opposite of your assumption You now want me to go through tomes of data to be convinced to your side. No, come up with something new that doesn't require us to do a bunch of work for you. Your arguments are tired and were not gonna waste more time on them.
        evandale 4y ago
        I'll link it later then when I'm home. It's called 9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf and it's the first result when I use these results: https://www.google.com/search?q=tps+force+report+2018+-2020+pdf https://www.google.com/search?q=tps+force+report+2018+-2020+... I've explained why I can't link directly. It's somewhere on page 52 or maybe 54. It might be in the 60s but it's in that range. There is a table you can ctrl-f for and it has stats broken down by race and the weapon the person has when police respond to calls. The third side here is that police disproportionately use force against people who have weapons. I hope you can find the table on your own because I gave you everything you need to find out. If not, I'll reply in an a few hours or so with a direct link.
        evandale 4y ago
        Actually here it is. I finally found it but had to use Yandex. Google was giving me different results. https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/9082-2018-...
        4y ago