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I just quit Reddit and deleted all my accounts despite gilding > 10 comments over the past year because I got blacklisted from every community subreddit I wante

I just quit Reddit and deleted all my accounts despite gilding > 10 comments over the past year because I got blacklisted from every community subreddit I wanted to participate in. I brought up the bias to the admins and was told mods can run their subreddit however they want despite Rule 1 of the mod guidelines saying to assume people are arguing in good faith. I got banned because I say controversial things like Black people are not disproportionately targeted by police due to their race, but rather due to them disproportionately having guns and knives when the police show up. The general public have a serious problem understanding nuance and statistics and I think it's disgusting that the media cry racism at every corner because it enrages people and gets clicks. It's even more disgusting that people fall for it without realizing what the media is doing to them because they can't read past headlines. I'll link to the actual TPS report that shows this but I'm on a slow connection right now and can't do it. edit: nvm I'm dumb; it's not that but the report is named 9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf if you can find it on its own. You can google "tps force report 2018 -2020 pdf". I'd find it myself but I'm downloading a 12mb pdf that's taking forever and I'm pretty sure this is the one.

lovich 4y ago
- evandale 4y ago
  I believe this is the report and if remember right it's on page 52 or maybe 54. Decide for yourself. https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/ohrc-interim-report-toronto-police-service-inquiry-shows-disturbing-results https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/ohrc-interim-report-to... edit: nvm I'm dumb; it's not that but the report is named 9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf if you can find it on its own. You can google "tps force report 2018 -2020 pdf". I'd find it myself but I'm downloading a 12mb pdf that's taking forever and I'm pretty sure this is the one.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    This isn't what this Hackernews post is about. You complained about people not understanding nuance but you want to dive right into argument about the police and minorities?
    - evandale 4y ago
      I'm responding to the claim that Twitter and Facebook ban points of view they don't want people to see and I'm pointing out Reddit does the exact same thing.
      - lovich 4y ago
        So how many times on a weekly basis would you say you bring up the numbers 13 and 50?
        evandale 4y ago
        0 Why?
        lovich 4y ago
        Because that’s the level of discourse I’d expect from someone claiming that the statistics show it’s black people at fault for their over representation in police brutality instances while linking a study that has this prominently in the abstract > The SIU Director’s Reports reveal instances where there was a lack of a legal basis for police stopping Black civilians in the first place, inappropriate searches and unnecessary charges or arrests. The reports and legal decisions also raise broader concerns about officer misconduct, transparency and accountability. > The data shows an over-representation of Black people in use of force cases that result in serious injury or death. And yes I saw your edit, but no I don’t care. You’re bringing up the same tired arguments that have been discounted over and over and then you end up linking studies disproving your point but we should consider you’re replacement cherry picked article? I’ll be charitable and assume you are arguing in completely good faith. Unfortunately your topic looks _exactly_ like one that is being pushed by people lieing for political gain at the expense of an oppressed group. If you want to overcome peoples legitimate reaction to your points that are completely indistinguishable in both content and tone from racists whose arguments were proven to be based on lies and omissions, then you need to come with a much higher quality of evidence and discourse
themitigating 4y ago
Subreddits moderate themselves, it has nothing to do with Reddit. If a Reddit Admin bans you then you lose your entire account.
- evandale 4y ago
  Rule 1 of the moderator guidelines from here: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-guidelines-for-healthy-communities https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-guidelines-for-... Engage in Good Faith Healthy communities are those where participants engage in good faith, and with an assumption of good faith for their co-collaborators. It’s not appropriate to attack your own users. Communities are active, in relation to their size and purpose, and where they are not, they are open to ideas and leadership that may make them more active. The actual post that was removed on me was in r/toronto a story I told about helping a homeless man wandering down the middle of the street in downtown Toronto. It was supposed to be a discussion of things you've done in the city that make you feel good. Moderators removed it because it wasn't relevant to Toronto just because it happened in Toronto. Visit r/toronto and you will see feel good stories like this all the time in the subreddit. I pointed this out to the admins and still got nowhere. I also wanted to post "We should try UBI but you have to vote to qualify. Thoughts?" in r/onguardforthee but that was also removed for trolling. That subreddit has posts similar to that one all the time. I was definitely treated unfairly and double standards were used against me because of my reputation. I don't troll though, I just enjoy having difficult and philosophical conversations, which is why I can see it's perceived as trolling. I enjoy challenging people to think. I would never say something I didn't believe. The admins doing nothing about the abuse was the last straw that proved to me Reddit doesn't care about finding the truth.
  - lovich 4y ago
    > I also wanted to post "We should try UBI but you have to vote to qualify. Thoughts?" in r/onguardforthee but that was also removed for trolling. That subreddit has posts similar to that one all the time. Dude, cannot you see why if you start posting about how _Universal_ Basic Income, should not be universal and based on some sort of test, that people might think you are being a troll? Like legitimately, what is the difference between your behavior and a troll who misinterprets things on purpose?
jamiek88 4y ago
You have been banned from every single subreddit you participate in because of your behavior and you don’t see an issue with your actions at all? If you constantly smell shit, check your own shoe homie.
- evandale 4y ago
  It was all the left-leaning run subreddits I was banned from. The report I spoke of is in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31915214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31915214
evandale 4y ago
edit: I still screwed up and realized it after getting to stable internet. This information is found here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31915960 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31915960 Hi all, I had to use Yandex to find this. Google wasn't showing the result. I hope this also shows how dangerous Google's censorship of search results is as well. I challenge you to find this report in Google search results! https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/9082-2018-... I can't download the PDF but if I remember right the table in question is somewhere in the 50s or 60s. You can ctrl+f for it. It breaks down by suspect race and weapon type when police arrive on scene. The third side nobody wants to talk about in this argument is that police disproportionately use force against suspects with weapons when they arrive on scene.
- salawat 4y ago
  The report you just linked to only has 40 pages. Was this what you meant? https://www.ohrc.on.ca/sites/default/files/Use%20of%20force%20by%20the%20Toronto%20Police%20Service%20Final%20report.pdf https://www.ohrc.on.ca/sites/default/files/Use%20of%20force%...

lovich 4y ago

evandale 4y ago
I believe this is the report and if remember right it's on page 52 or maybe 54. Decide for yourself. https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/ohrc-interim-report-toronto-police-service-inquiry-shows-disturbing-results https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/news_centre/ohrc-interim-report-to... edit: nvm I'm dumb; it's not that but the report is named 9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf if you can find it on its own. You can google "tps force report 2018 -2020 pdf". I'd find it myself but I'm downloading a 12mb pdf that's taking forever and I'm pretty sure this is the one.
- themitigating 4y ago
  This isn't what this Hackernews post is about. You complained about people not understanding nuance but you want to dive right into argument about the police and minorities?
  - evandale 4y ago
    I'm responding to the claim that Twitter and Facebook ban points of view they don't want people to see and I'm pointing out Reddit does the exact same thing.
    - lovich 4y ago
      So how many times on a weekly basis would you say you bring up the numbers 13 and 50?
      - evandale 4y ago
        0 Why?
        lovich 4y ago
        Because that’s the level of discourse I’d expect from someone claiming that the statistics show it’s black people at fault for their over representation in police brutality instances while linking a study that has this prominently in the abstract > The SIU Director’s Reports reveal instances where there was a lack of a legal basis for police stopping Black civilians in the first place, inappropriate searches and unnecessary charges or arrests. The reports and legal decisions also raise broader concerns about officer misconduct, transparency and accountability. > The data shows an over-representation of Black people in use of force cases that result in serious injury or death. And yes I saw your edit, but no I don’t care. You’re bringing up the same tired arguments that have been discounted over and over and then you end up linking studies disproving your point but we should consider you’re replacement cherry picked article? I’ll be charitable and assume you are arguing in completely good faith. Unfortunately your topic looks _exactly_ like one that is being pushed by people lieing for political gain at the expense of an oppressed group. If you want to overcome peoples legitimate reaction to your points that are completely indistinguishable in both content and tone from racists whose arguments were proven to be based on lies and omissions, then you need to come with a much higher quality of evidence and discourse

themitigating 4y ago

Subreddits moderate themselves, it has nothing to do with Reddit. If a Reddit Admin bans you then you lose your entire account.

evandale 4y ago
Rule 1 of the moderator guidelines from here: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-guidelines-for-healthy-communities https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-guidelines-for-... Engage in Good Faith Healthy communities are those where participants engage in good faith, and with an assumption of good faith for their co-collaborators. It’s not appropriate to attack your own users. Communities are active, in relation to their size and purpose, and where they are not, they are open to ideas and leadership that may make them more active. The actual post that was removed on me was in r/toronto a story I told about helping a homeless man wandering down the middle of the street in downtown Toronto. It was supposed to be a discussion of things you've done in the city that make you feel good. Moderators removed it because it wasn't relevant to Toronto just because it happened in Toronto. Visit r/toronto and you will see feel good stories like this all the time in the subreddit. I pointed this out to the admins and still got nowhere. I also wanted to post "We should try UBI but you have to vote to qualify. Thoughts?" in r/onguardforthee but that was also removed for trolling. That subreddit has posts similar to that one all the time. I was definitely treated unfairly and double standards were used against me because of my reputation. I don't troll though, I just enjoy having difficult and philosophical conversations, which is why I can see it's perceived as trolling. I enjoy challenging people to think. I would never say something I didn't believe. The admins doing nothing about the abuse was the last straw that proved to me Reddit doesn't care about finding the truth.
- lovich 4y ago
  > I also wanted to post "We should try UBI but you have to vote to qualify. Thoughts?" in r/onguardforthee but that was also removed for trolling. That subreddit has posts similar to that one all the time. Dude, cannot you see why if you start posting about how _Universal_ Basic Income, should not be universal and based on some sort of test, that people might think you are being a troll? Like legitimately, what is the difference between your behavior and a troll who misinterprets things on purpose?

jamiek88 4y ago

You have been banned from every single subreddit you participate in because of your behavior and you don’t see an issue with your actions at all? If you constantly smell shit, check your own shoe homie.

evandale 4y ago
It was all the left-leaning run subreddits I was banned from. The report I spoke of is in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31915214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31915214

evandale 4y ago

edit: I still screwed up and realized it after getting to stable internet. This information is found here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31915960 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31915960 Hi all, I had to use Yandex to find this. Google wasn't showing the result. I hope this also shows how dangerous Google's censorship of search results is as well. I challenge you to find this report in Google search results! https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/9082-2018-TPS-Annual-Report.pdf https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/9082-2018-... I can't download the PDF but if I remember right the table in question is somewhere in the 50s or 60s. You can ctrl+f for it. It breaks down by suspect race and weapon type when police arrive on scene. The third side nobody wants to talk about in this argument is that police disproportionately use force against suspects with weapons when they arrive on scene.

salawat 4y ago
The report you just linked to only has 40 pages. Was this what you meant? https://www.ohrc.on.ca/sites/default/files/Use%20of%20force%20by%20the%20Toronto%20Police%20Service%20Final%20report.pdf https://www.ohrc.on.ca/sites/default/files/Use%20of%20force%...