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>It's only supported by the majority of Americans until you ask them about specific situations and policy implications. It also seems you're trying to stack th

>It's only supported by the majority of Americans until you ask them about specific situations and policy implications. It also seems you're trying to stack the deck in your favor. If you're going to ask questions designed to pull support away with cherry picked circumstances, then you should also ask cherry picked questions leading the other way, like pointing out how many mass shootings are done with guns that bypassed background checks. So cite your poll please. I'd like to see the questions. Or you can ask a fairly neutral question, like [1], a poll with the question "How much do you support or oppose each of the following? Requiring background checks on all gun sales" 73% strongly support, 15% somewhat support, 4% somewhat oppose, 4% strongly oppose, 5% don't know/no opinion. That's a pretty neutral question, has massive support. Let's see your data on your split questions. [1] https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000180-fe72-d0c2-a9ae-ff7250f80000&nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f115-dd93-ad7f-f91513e50001&nlid=630318 https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000180-fe72-d0c2-a9ae-ff725...

Ancapistani 4y ago
> [...] like pointing out how many mass shootings are done with guns that bypassed background checks. Can you name some? Better yet, can you point to data on how often this has happened? Off the top of my head, I can think of several instances where the guns were legally purchased and the shooter passed the background checks. I can think of a couple where they were stolen, and one where they were taken from a family member after that family member's murder. I can't think of any where the firearm(s) were acquired exclusively through private sale.
R0b0t1 4y ago
I hate to be the one, but he's right: more background checks is hilariously unpopular outside of blue cities and states. A lot of people in red states, even in cities, think that the gun regulations we have are too strong.
- tristan957 4y ago
  Anecdote: I know many gun owners who are fine with universal background checks if they can be performed at home for free in a reasonable amount of time. I don't understand why people who want gun regulation aren't pushing for this. Free, easy, and fast background checks.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    Unenforceable without a registry of some sort. You'd never know if a check was ran for that firearm or not.
    - laverya 4y ago
      And indeed, it's when you mention the fact that UBCs require a gun registry to be enforceable that people really start opposing them. (The current background check system was passed with the compromise that it wouldn't be used to make a gun registry though the ATF, and in fact the ATF was not allowed to digitize records for exactly this reason. The ATF appears to have begun ignoring this deal in recent years, though)
      - giantg2 4y ago
        The ATF keeps the GAO quite busy. It's too bad the GAO has no real power on this and many other issues.
    - pseudo0 4y ago
      This is a solved problem with modern cryptography. Governments just don't want to implement a cryptographic scheme like this, given the side-benefits of a registry for future confiscation, red-flagging, etc.

Ancapistani 4y ago

> [...] like pointing out how many mass shootings are done with guns that bypassed background checks. Can you name some? Better yet, can you point to data on how often this has happened? Off the top of my head, I can think of several instances where the guns were legally purchased and the shooter passed the background checks. I can think of a couple where they were stolen, and one where they were taken from a family member after that family member's murder. I can't think of any where the firearm(s) were acquired exclusively through private sale.

R0b0t1 4y ago

I hate to be the one, but he's right: more background checks is hilariously unpopular outside of blue cities and states. A lot of people in red states, even in cities, think that the gun regulations we have are too strong.

tristan957 4y ago
Anecdote: I know many gun owners who are fine with universal background checks if they can be performed at home for free in a reasonable amount of time. I don't understand why people who want gun regulation aren't pushing for this. Free, easy, and fast background checks.
- notch656a 4y ago
  Unenforceable without a registry of some sort. You'd never know if a check was ran for that firearm or not.
  - laverya 4y ago
    And indeed, it's when you mention the fact that UBCs require a gun registry to be enforceable that people really start opposing them. (The current background check system was passed with the compromise that it wouldn't be used to make a gun registry though the ATF, and in fact the ATF was not allowed to digitize records for exactly this reason. The ATF appears to have begun ignoring this deal in recent years, though)
    - giantg2 4y ago
      The ATF keeps the GAO quite busy. It's too bad the GAO has no real power on this and many other issues.
  - pseudo0 4y ago
    This is a solved problem with modern cryptography. Governments just don't want to implement a cryptographic scheme like this, given the side-benefits of a registry for future confiscation, red-flagging, etc.