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> forcing unwanted children into this world This turn of phrase, which I've seen used often, is bizarre and demonic. It implies that the default for children i

> forcing unwanted children into this world This turn of phrase, which I've seen used often, is bizarre and demonic. It implies that the default for children is to be killed.

taylodl 4y ago
No. Forcing children to live in Hell is demonic. Unwanted children live a Hellish existence. Sorry to burst your bubble.
- Grustaf 4y ago
  The issue is that these children live “in hell”, not that they are alive at all. The solution to potential future suffering is not to kill people. And needless to say, you can’t project your experience on every one.
  - taylodl 4y ago
    Nor can you project your naive thoughts of rainbows and unicorn farts on everyone living in Hell. It's extremely offensive. This is why nobody talks about it - tone deaf people like you trying to pooh pooh people's experiences and what they've watched their friends experience. Sorry. We're fighting back.
    - Grustaf 4y ago
      And I'm not doing that. I don't doubt that you had a rough childhood, your mother is clearly an unfit parent. I still maintain that preemptively killing children because they might end up in bad families is not the way to go. A working social safety net, adoption, financial support for those in need are the humane way to solve it.
      - taylodl 4y ago
        Here's the thing - women getting an abortion is a condemnation of our system. We had the opportunity to do all those things you suggest. We failed. We had all the motivation in the world to make it happen - save the children. Provide a viable alternative. We failed. How you think continuing to fail in solving these problems and then forcing women to have unwanted children is going to lead to anything good - actually it tells me you're most likely to be evil and simply aren't aware of it since you're accustomed to thinking of yourself as a good guy. Lucky for you I think Hanlon's Razor applies.
        Grustaf 4y ago
        I'm evil because I don't want children to be killed? That's a new one. What do you mean "we failed"? Clearly it's not impossible to have a working welfare system. Almost all developed nations manage it, many of which are poorer than the US. Just try again.
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        taylodl 4y ago
        I don't believe you're arguing in good faith any longer. I was giving you the benefit of being ignorant, but you persisted. Now I'm going with evil. You are tone deaf beyond the pale.

> forcing unwanted children into this world This turn of phrase, which I've seen used often, is bizarre and demonic. It implies that the default for children is to be killed.

taylodl 4y ago

No. Forcing children to live in Hell is demonic. Unwanted children live a Hellish existence. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Grustaf 4y ago
The issue is that these children live “in hell”, not that they are alive at all. The solution to potential future suffering is not to kill people. And needless to say, you can’t project your experience on every one.
- taylodl 4y ago
  Nor can you project your naive thoughts of rainbows and unicorn farts on everyone living in Hell. It's extremely offensive. This is why nobody talks about it - tone deaf people like you trying to pooh pooh people's experiences and what they've watched their friends experience. Sorry. We're fighting back.
  - Grustaf 4y ago
    And I'm not doing that. I don't doubt that you had a rough childhood, your mother is clearly an unfit parent. I still maintain that preemptively killing children because they might end up in bad families is not the way to go. A working social safety net, adoption, financial support for those in need are the humane way to solve it.
    - taylodl 4y ago
      Here's the thing - women getting an abortion is a condemnation of our system. We had the opportunity to do all those things you suggest. We failed. We had all the motivation in the world to make it happen - save the children. Provide a viable alternative. We failed. How you think continuing to fail in solving these problems and then forcing women to have unwanted children is going to lead to anything good - actually it tells me you're most likely to be evil and simply aren't aware of it since you're accustomed to thinking of yourself as a good guy. Lucky for you I think Hanlon's Razor applies.
      - Grustaf 4y ago
        I'm evil because I don't want children to be killed? That's a new one. What do you mean "we failed"? Clearly it's not impossible to have a working welfare system. Almost all developed nations manage it, many of which are poorer than the US. Just try again.
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        taylodl 4y ago
        I don't believe you're arguing in good faith any longer. I was giving you the benefit of being ignorant, but you persisted. Now I'm going with evil. You are tone deaf beyond the pale.