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And they should be doing much more. Age verification should require a credit card. The idea that hardcore porn should be freely accessible to anyone (including

And they should be doing much more. Age verification should require a credit card. The idea that hardcore porn should be freely accessible to anyone (including children) on an anonymous basis needs to be put to rest.

hulitu 4y ago
And they shall support more guns. Every child is entitled to its own gun, to defend itself. I don't know about ... but as a child my access to porn was rather ... limited ( to not say restricted ).
nly 4y ago
Requiring a credit card for age verification before getting access to otherwise free porn (like on pornhub) will likely just leave paper trails for millions of men accessing porn, cause embarrassment, lead to privacy issues, blackmail, and wreck relationships. It will also probably lead more men to pay for porn, since the companies running these websites will then make it one click. Systems like Mozilla Persona would solve this on a technical basis, and was way ahead of its time, but there's no political incentive to standardise on something like this.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  That sounds like a problem for those men. If your partner is against you consuming porn perhaps that's something for you and your partner to resolve. Exposing children to hardcore pornography in order to save dishonest men some inconvenience seems a poor trade.
  - ziddoap 4y ago
  - nly 4y ago
    It's not for you or I to dictate how much people should share within their personal relationships. Maybe telling your partner that something isn't any of their bloody business is a perfectly valid thing to do, and an acceptable answer, even after, say, 50 years of marriage? It's a relationship, you are not a single conscienceness. Personally, I'd argue having secrets from your partner doesn't necessarily make you dishonest. Lying to your partner makes you dishonest. Anyway, my broader concern is I still wouldn't want my credit card company knowing my sexual preferences anymore than I'd want an ad company like Google knowing my medical status.
    - ALittleLight 4y ago
      If you conceal information from your partner that they care about then that does make you fundamentally dishonest. If you conceal the fact that you are cheating on your partner, does that make you dishonest? I mean, isn't it just a secret you're keeping from your partner? You write that neither you nor I should dictate what people share with their partners. I agree. I don't care what people share with their partners - that's between them and their partners. I don't think it's good for children to have 24/7 trivial access to hardcore pornography though and so I think we should restrict that and if that restriction changes the balance of what adults disclose with their partners that is up to those adults and their partners to handle. You seem to be advocating for policy based on allowing romantic deception - which is odd. Finally, regarding your credit card company knowing your sexual preferences - I agree that it is a trade off but I don't think your, and others, addiction to pornography necessitates making pornography trivially available to children. If you have a better idea for how to age-restrict pornography I'd be open to it, but the defense that it would make acquiring pornography awkward for adults strikes me as pretty weak.
      - nly 4y ago
        I'm not opposed to giving parents the tools to shelter their children from whatever they consider inappropriate content, I'm just saying I don't think forcing age verification via credit cards is the way to go.
  - M2Ys4U 4y ago
    >That sounds like a problem for those men. If your partner is against you consuming porn perhaps that's something for you and your partner to resolve. That may be a sound argument if it's one's partner who's bothered. But what if it's your parents? If it's your boss? If it's your neighbours? If it's the local politician that you need to approve your planning application?
    - ALittleLight 4y ago
      Why do those people have access to my credit card records?
roflyear 4y ago
Have we lost our minds. If you're worried about your kid seeing porn don't let them on the internet.

hulitu 4y ago

And they shall support more guns. Every child is entitled to its own gun, to defend itself. I don't know about ... but as a child my access to porn was rather ... limited ( to not say restricted ).

nly 4y ago

Requiring a credit card for age verification before getting access to otherwise free porn (like on pornhub) will likely just leave paper trails for millions of men accessing porn, cause embarrassment, lead to privacy issues, blackmail, and wreck relationships. It will also probably lead more men to pay for porn, since the companies running these websites will then make it one click. Systems like Mozilla Persona would solve this on a technical basis, and was way ahead of its time, but there's no political incentive to standardise on something like this.

ALittleLight 4y ago
That sounds like a problem for those men. If your partner is against you consuming porn perhaps that's something for you and your partner to resolve. Exposing children to hardcore pornography in order to save dishonest men some inconvenience seems a poor trade.
- ziddoap 4y ago
- nly 4y ago
  It's not for you or I to dictate how much people should share within their personal relationships. Maybe telling your partner that something isn't any of their bloody business is a perfectly valid thing to do, and an acceptable answer, even after, say, 50 years of marriage? It's a relationship, you are not a single conscienceness. Personally, I'd argue having secrets from your partner doesn't necessarily make you dishonest. Lying to your partner makes you dishonest. Anyway, my broader concern is I still wouldn't want my credit card company knowing my sexual preferences anymore than I'd want an ad company like Google knowing my medical status.
  - ALittleLight 4y ago
    If you conceal information from your partner that they care about then that does make you fundamentally dishonest. If you conceal the fact that you are cheating on your partner, does that make you dishonest? I mean, isn't it just a secret you're keeping from your partner? You write that neither you nor I should dictate what people share with their partners. I agree. I don't care what people share with their partners - that's between them and their partners. I don't think it's good for children to have 24/7 trivial access to hardcore pornography though and so I think we should restrict that and if that restriction changes the balance of what adults disclose with their partners that is up to those adults and their partners to handle. You seem to be advocating for policy based on allowing romantic deception - which is odd. Finally, regarding your credit card company knowing your sexual preferences - I agree that it is a trade off but I don't think your, and others, addiction to pornography necessitates making pornography trivially available to children. If you have a better idea for how to age-restrict pornography I'd be open to it, but the defense that it would make acquiring pornography awkward for adults strikes me as pretty weak.
    - nly 4y ago
      I'm not opposed to giving parents the tools to shelter their children from whatever they consider inappropriate content, I'm just saying I don't think forcing age verification via credit cards is the way to go.
- M2Ys4U 4y ago
  >That sounds like a problem for those men. If your partner is against you consuming porn perhaps that's something for you and your partner to resolve. That may be a sound argument if it's one's partner who's bothered. But what if it's your parents? If it's your boss? If it's your neighbours? If it's the local politician that you need to approve your planning application?
  - ALittleLight 4y ago
    Why do those people have access to my credit card records?

roflyear 4y ago

Have we lost our minds. If you're worried about your kid seeing porn don't let them on the internet.