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As has been stated elsewhere, straw purchases are probably a major source. Smuggling is possible too. I couldn't say how these compare to theft, because I've ne

As has been stated elsewhere, straw purchases are probably a major source. Smuggling is possible too. I couldn't say how these compare to theft, because I've never seen any solid data on the topic.

SkinTaco 4y ago
- falcrist 4y ago
  By "a lot of opinions" you seem to mean that I gave two suggestions of possible sources of firearms, and then openly admitted I don't know how they compare to theft. Would you rather I have simply stated those two sources and omitted the part about not having the data to compare the quantity of firearms obtained through those sources? Do you have access to data we could use to make this comparison?
mulmen 4y ago
I don’t understand this line of thinking. Regardless of other sources of black market guns publishing this list increases the number of stolen guns. At best it accomplishes nothing.
- falcrist 4y ago
  You misunderstand my statement. I was answering your question, not arguing that the leak was good. I don't subscribe to the argument that firearms serve as an effective deterrent to robbery, so it almost certainly can't help. But you asked where the black market gets it's merchandise. Theft, smuggling, and straw purchases immediately spring to mind. It would be interesting to see data comparing the effectiveness of each.
  - mulmen 4y ago
    > I’m surprised, seems more likely they would buy off the black market. Reads to me as: “I’m surprised [criminals steal guns] seems more likely they would buy [stolen guns] off the black market.” The suggestion guns are sourced from a black market is not a compelling argument against those items being stolen. Invoking the black market itself establishes the incentive to steal.
    - falcrist 4y ago
      You seem to have responded to me in error. I didn't make the statement you quoted. I merely responded to the question regarding where else the black market could have acquired those guns.
      - mulmen 4y ago
        I made no error. You seem to have lost track of the context in this thread. I replied to a comment (not yours) that essentially said guns come from the black market instead of being stolen. I pointed out through a rhetorical device the possibility that the black market sells stolen products and so both are true. You then replied to that rhetorical.
        falcrist 4y ago
        I haven't lost track of anything. You asked a question and I replied to that. As far as your rhetorical device, I'm sorry but theft isn't the only way firearms get into that market. You're trying to attribute arguments to me that I never made, and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop. Thanks.
        mulmen 4y ago
        > You're trying to attribute arguments to me that I never made, and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop. I explicitly did the exact opposite of that. You are clearly confused but at this point I don’t think I can help you.
        4y ago

As has been stated elsewhere, straw purchases are probably a major source. Smuggling is possible too. I couldn't say how these compare to theft, because I've never seen any solid data on the topic.

SkinTaco 4y ago

falcrist 4y ago
By "a lot of opinions" you seem to mean that I gave two suggestions of possible sources of firearms, and then openly admitted I don't know how they compare to theft. Would you rather I have simply stated those two sources and omitted the part about not having the data to compare the quantity of firearms obtained through those sources? Do you have access to data we could use to make this comparison?

mulmen 4y ago

I don’t understand this line of thinking. Regardless of other sources of black market guns publishing this list increases the number of stolen guns. At best it accomplishes nothing.

falcrist 4y ago
You misunderstand my statement. I was answering your question, not arguing that the leak was good. I don't subscribe to the argument that firearms serve as an effective deterrent to robbery, so it almost certainly can't help. But you asked where the black market gets it's merchandise. Theft, smuggling, and straw purchases immediately spring to mind. It would be interesting to see data comparing the effectiveness of each.
- mulmen 4y ago
  > I’m surprised, seems more likely they would buy off the black market. Reads to me as: “I’m surprised [criminals steal guns] seems more likely they would buy [stolen guns] off the black market.” The suggestion guns are sourced from a black market is not a compelling argument against those items being stolen. Invoking the black market itself establishes the incentive to steal.
  - falcrist 4y ago
    You seem to have responded to me in error. I didn't make the statement you quoted. I merely responded to the question regarding where else the black market could have acquired those guns.
    - mulmen 4y ago
      I made no error. You seem to have lost track of the context in this thread. I replied to a comment (not yours) that essentially said guns come from the black market instead of being stolen. I pointed out through a rhetorical device the possibility that the black market sells stolen products and so both are true. You then replied to that rhetorical.
      - falcrist 4y ago
        I haven't lost track of anything. You asked a question and I replied to that. As far as your rhetorical device, I'm sorry but theft isn't the only way firearms get into that market. You're trying to attribute arguments to me that I never made, and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop. Thanks.
        mulmen 4y ago
        > You're trying to attribute arguments to me that I never made, and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop. I explicitly did the exact opposite of that. You are clearly confused but at this point I don’t think I can help you.
        4y ago