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No, this was no accident. California has been leveraging gun regulations as a foil to anti-abortion movements elsewhere in the country, including discussions of

No, this was no accident. California has been leveraging gun regulations as a foil to anti-abortion movements elsewhere in the country, including discussions of dissemination of lists of abortion recipients, providers, and facilitators for targeting by bounty hunters. Now we have an accidentally-disseminated list of gun owners. "Oops," indeed. Turnabout is fair play?

mulmen 4y ago
That’s a very serious allegation to throw around when regular old incompetence is a viable explanation.
- quarantaseih 4y ago
  Days after the most significant SCOTUS gun decision in over a decade (Heller)? Arguably the second most important one in 2A jurisprudence?
  - olyjohn 4y ago
    Yeah... still likely just incompetence, dude.
    - saboot 4y ago
      I agree, I'm thinking of Missouri accidentally publishing SSN info on a govt website. Also the OPM not being able to secure the personal info of everyone with a security clearance.
- jstarfish 4y ago
  I'm not afraid to make it; there's no burden of proof online. It's too conveniently timed--and too specific in content--to be coincidence. They didn't leak a list of everybody on food stamps during a slow news cycle. Everything other states have threatened to do regarding abortion, California has responded to by doing the exact same thing, only replacing the word "abortion" with "guns."
  - peter422 4y ago
    California has banned all guns? Some states have actually banned all abortions so it seems like you should be able to point to a single statewide official suggesting all guns be banned. Otherwise you might be guilty of exaggerating just a bit.
    - Rebelgecko 4y ago
      AB 2847 is a clear attempt at a handgun ban (requiring California to ban 3 handguns for every new one- that's not a sustainable process). California also copied the Texas law about suing abortion providers, except for manufacturer's of gun parts (although that one hasn't gone into effect yet)
  - phlofy 4y ago
    > I'm not afraid to make it; there's no burden of proof online. Should've been the end of it. Why do you ho on to argue why you think it's true?
  - mulmen 4y ago
    > I'm not afraid to make it; there's no burden of proof online. That is a disappointing disregard for modern public discourse. You may well have something interesting to say. Alas, we will never know.
tomohawk 4y ago
Yep. This is an established pattern and practice by California. Here's a famous one: > Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California, Inc., for the 2009 fiscal year was publicly posted; the document included the names and addresses of hundreds of donors. https://reason.com/2021/03/04/californias-requirement-that-nonprofits-disclose-donor-information-poses-a-grave-threat-to-freedom-of-association/ https://reason.com/2021/03/04/californias-requirement-that-n... The law they were using to sabotage groups they didn't like finally got ruled unconsitutional.

mulmen 4y ago

That’s a very serious allegation to throw around when regular old incompetence is a viable explanation.

quarantaseih 4y ago
Days after the most significant SCOTUS gun decision in over a decade (Heller)? Arguably the second most important one in 2A jurisprudence?
- olyjohn 4y ago
  Yeah... still likely just incompetence, dude.
  - saboot 4y ago
    I agree, I'm thinking of Missouri accidentally publishing SSN info on a govt website. Also the OPM not being able to secure the personal info of everyone with a security clearance.
jstarfish 4y ago
I'm not afraid to make it; there's no burden of proof online. It's too conveniently timed--and too specific in content--to be coincidence. They didn't leak a list of everybody on food stamps during a slow news cycle. Everything other states have threatened to do regarding abortion, California has responded to by doing the exact same thing, only replacing the word "abortion" with "guns."
- peter422 4y ago
  California has banned all guns? Some states have actually banned all abortions so it seems like you should be able to point to a single statewide official suggesting all guns be banned. Otherwise you might be guilty of exaggerating just a bit.
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    AB 2847 is a clear attempt at a handgun ban (requiring California to ban 3 handguns for every new one- that's not a sustainable process). California also copied the Texas law about suing abortion providers, except for manufacturer's of gun parts (although that one hasn't gone into effect yet)
- phlofy 4y ago
  > I'm not afraid to make it; there's no burden of proof online. Should've been the end of it. Why do you ho on to argue why you think it's true?
- mulmen 4y ago
  > I'm not afraid to make it; there's no burden of proof online. That is a disappointing disregard for modern public discourse. You may well have something interesting to say. Alas, we will never know.

tomohawk 4y ago

Yep. This is an established pattern and practice by California. Here's a famous one: > Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California, Inc., for the 2009 fiscal year was publicly posted; the document included the names and addresses of hundreds of donors. https://reason.com/2021/03/04/californias-requirement-that-nonprofits-disclose-donor-information-poses-a-grave-threat-to-freedom-of-association/ https://reason.com/2021/03/04/californias-requirement-that-n... The law they were using to sabotage groups they didn't like finally got ruled unconsitutional.