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Your example is a literal serial killer? Oh come on. He was inducing birth in order to kill babies outside of the uterus >owned and operated the Women's Medica

by feet 4y ago

Your example is a literal serial killer? Oh come on. He was inducing birth in order to kill babies outside of the uterus >owned and operated the Women's Medical Society Clinic, a non-compliant abortion clinic >Gosnell was convicted of the murders of three infants who were born alive after using drugs to induce birth, was convicted of manslaughter in connection with the death of one woman during an abortion procedure, and was convicted of several other medically related crimes.[3][4][5][6][7] This dude should never have been a doctor in the first place and this is your shining example? Brilliant >2011, Gosnell, his wife Pearl, and eight employees were charged with a total of 32 felonies and 227 misdemeanors in connection with deaths, illegal medical services, and regulatory violations. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell I can't tell if you're a bad faith actor yourself or you just believe the nonsense put forth by the nationalist extremist party

yucky 4y ago
He didn't go to prison for the 39 week abortions, he went to prison for the 41 week abortions, you know - the ones you were in favor of. You said it never happens, but it does. Most doctors that offer the late term abortions don't get in trouble because they're not as sloppy as him. So the question remains, the one you refuse to answer - why would we not restrict ELECTIVE abortions after a certain point in a pregnancy? What is the argument against that? Nobody is arguing against it if they're medically necessary, I'm asking specifically about elective abortions beyond the point of viability. That's it. That's where the breakdown occurs for most people.
- feet 4y ago
  >211 counts of violating Pennsylvania's 24-hour informed consent law Sounds to me like he patients were not aware of what he was doing And he was doing a hell of a lot more than just abortions >The DEA, The FBI, and the Office of the Inspector General also sought a 23-count indictment charging Gosnell and seven members of his former staff with drug conspiracy relating to the practice's illegally prescribing highly-addictive painkillers and sedatives outside the usual course of professional practice and not for a legitimate medical purpose. So again, you pick out one guy who should not have been a physician who did not inform his patient of what he was doing And this detail is pretty important, these were not abortions but murders after birth >They arise because of the "born alive rule", a principle of common law which stipulates that by default, for legal purposes, personhood arises – and therefore unlawful killing constituting murder becomes possible – immediately upon the victim's being born alive Pointing this guy out is like pointing out that old veteran who's like 110 years old and smokes and drinks every day and claiming nobody gets cancer from smoking and drinking You are aware that murder, killing people who are already born, is already illegal? These examples were not abortions, plain and simple
  - yucky 4y ago
    >You are aware that murder, killing people who are already born, is already illegal? These examples were not abortions, plain and simple Only the "41 week old abortions" were treated as murder, the 39 week old ones weren't. My question is - what's the difference? In your mind, how do you justify a 39 week old elective abortion?
    - feet 4y ago
      He induced birth then killed the baby That's not an abortion
      - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
        And now you're playing the fools game by engaging with the Gosnell nonsense, giving angry debate about "shocking" things that they have changed the topic too. Not only is it derailing of a serious issue, it is deliberately visceral, disturbing, which makes it harder to debate logically about. Standard tactic: wind them up so they don't notice the inconsistencies.
        feet 4y ago
        Thank you for being a voice of reason. You're right, I shouldn't engage that nonsense but I got sucked in. I don't know what we can do about people spreading such FUD
        SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
        Sadly that account has a track record of repeating their inflammatory talking points. Even after they are debunked, they just move an and try it on someone else again.
      - yucky 4y ago
        It's called Intact Dilation & Extraction, and is absolutely a type of abortion. And you still haven't answered - what is your logic for not having a problem with a 36, 37, 38 week etc elective abortion? What is the argument for allowing them?

by feet 4y ago

yucky 4y ago

He didn't go to prison for the 39 week abortions, he went to prison for the 41 week abortions, you know - the ones you were in favor of. You said it never happens, but it does. Most doctors that offer the late term abortions don't get in trouble because they're not as sloppy as him. So the question remains, the one you refuse to answer - why would we not restrict ELECTIVE abortions after a certain point in a pregnancy? What is the argument against that? Nobody is arguing against it if they're medically necessary, I'm asking specifically about elective abortions beyond the point of viability. That's it. That's where the breakdown occurs for most people.

feet 4y ago
>211 counts of violating Pennsylvania's 24-hour informed consent law Sounds to me like he patients were not aware of what he was doing And he was doing a hell of a lot more than just abortions >The DEA, The FBI, and the Office of the Inspector General also sought a 23-count indictment charging Gosnell and seven members of his former staff with drug conspiracy relating to the practice's illegally prescribing highly-addictive painkillers and sedatives outside the usual course of professional practice and not for a legitimate medical purpose. So again, you pick out one guy who should not have been a physician who did not inform his patient of what he was doing And this detail is pretty important, these were not abortions but murders after birth >They arise because of the "born alive rule", a principle of common law which stipulates that by default, for legal purposes, personhood arises – and therefore unlawful killing constituting murder becomes possible – immediately upon the victim's being born alive Pointing this guy out is like pointing out that old veteran who's like 110 years old and smokes and drinks every day and claiming nobody gets cancer from smoking and drinking You are aware that murder, killing people who are already born, is already illegal? These examples were not abortions, plain and simple
- yucky 4y ago
  >You are aware that murder, killing people who are already born, is already illegal? These examples were not abortions, plain and simple Only the "41 week old abortions" were treated as murder, the 39 week old ones weren't. My question is - what's the difference? In your mind, how do you justify a 39 week old elective abortion?
  - feet 4y ago
    He induced birth then killed the baby That's not an abortion
    - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
      And now you're playing the fools game by engaging with the Gosnell nonsense, giving angry debate about "shocking" things that they have changed the topic too. Not only is it derailing of a serious issue, it is deliberately visceral, disturbing, which makes it harder to debate logically about. Standard tactic: wind them up so they don't notice the inconsistencies.
      - feet 4y ago
        Thank you for being a voice of reason. You're right, I shouldn't engage that nonsense but I got sucked in. I don't know what we can do about people spreading such FUD
        SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
        Sadly that account has a track record of repeating their inflammatory talking points. Even after they are debunked, they just move an and try it on someone else again.
    - yucky 4y ago
      It's called Intact Dilation & Extraction, and is absolutely a type of abortion. And you still haven't answered - what is your logic for not having a problem with a 36, 37, 38 week etc elective abortion? What is the argument for allowing them?