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> The Reload reviewed a copy of the Lost Angeles County database and found 244 judge permits listed in the database. The files included the home addresses, full

by mulmen 4y ago

> The Reload reviewed a copy of the Lost Angeles County database and found 244 judge permits listed in the database. The files included the home addresses, full names, and dates of birth for all of them. How did this ever go live? Like, was it a bug or did they actually think putting this on the web was a good idea?

cobrabyte 4y ago
Why is any of this database online in the first place?
jrochkind1 4y ago
That seems to be the question!
HideousKojima 4y ago
Also given how political the process of getting a CCW permit is in California (i.e. if you're not in a county with a sheriff willing to give a permit to everyone you either need to be rich or have connections) a disproportionate amount of cops, jail guards, celebrities, and wealthy businessmen (along with their home addresses) are going to be on that list.
- xbar 4y ago
  It is a tremendously valuable list to convicts and gangs who want to know where all the judges and correctional officers' families live.
ak217 4y ago
Bug. Incompetence. It looks like they put a giant spreadsheet with all the PII into Tableau and then embedded a web view to serve a geo visualization of some of the columns. Except they made the full underlying table accessible by anyone in Tableau.
- vdqtp3 4y ago
  They did redact PII on the DROS table, but not the CCW table. I ascribe it to malice, not incompetence.
- bb88 4y ago
  > Bug. Incompetence. I'm thinking that we should have a MTBL (Mean Time Between Leaking) companies and government. The data they have in their system will only be safe for X number of years, on average.
- daenz 4y ago
  Oopsie, we exposed our ideological opponents to potential vigilante justice! Harmless mistake!
  - peter422 4y ago
    If I’m choosing a house to rob, sounds like a really really dumb idea to choose one where the person owns a gun. If anything the gun owners should be happy, the government gave them free deterrence from being the target of crime.
    - mulmen 4y ago
      > If I’m choosing a house to rob, sounds like a really really dumb idea to choose one where the person owns a gun. Unless you want to steal a gun of course. > If anything the gun owners should be happy, the government gave them free deterrence from being the target of crime. Unless they are the kind of person exposed to abnormal risk. The same people who are more likely to need or want a concealed weapon. Examples include judges and correctional officers who are called out in the data explicitly. Or anyone with an abusive partner or stalker who can look them up by name. They’re probably feeling less thankful right now.
      - Clubber 4y ago
        Or they just wait until the homeowner leaves for work.

by mulmen 4y ago

cobrabyte 4y ago

Why is any of this database online in the first place?

jrochkind1 4y ago

That seems to be the question!

HideousKojima 4y ago

Also given how political the process of getting a CCW permit is in California (i.e. if you're not in a county with a sheriff willing to give a permit to everyone you either need to be rich or have connections) a disproportionate amount of cops, jail guards, celebrities, and wealthy businessmen (along with their home addresses) are going to be on that list.

xbar 4y ago
It is a tremendously valuable list to convicts and gangs who want to know where all the judges and correctional officers' families live.

ak217 4y ago

Bug. Incompetence. It looks like they put a giant spreadsheet with all the PII into Tableau and then embedded a web view to serve a geo visualization of some of the columns. Except they made the full underlying table accessible by anyone in Tableau.

vdqtp3 4y ago
They did redact PII on the DROS table, but not the CCW table. I ascribe it to malice, not incompetence.
bb88 4y ago
> Bug. Incompetence. I'm thinking that we should have a MTBL (Mean Time Between Leaking) companies and government. The data they have in their system will only be safe for X number of years, on average.
daenz 4y ago
Oopsie, we exposed our ideological opponents to potential vigilante justice! Harmless mistake!
- peter422 4y ago
  If I’m choosing a house to rob, sounds like a really really dumb idea to choose one where the person owns a gun. If anything the gun owners should be happy, the government gave them free deterrence from being the target of crime.
  - mulmen 4y ago
    > If I’m choosing a house to rob, sounds like a really really dumb idea to choose one where the person owns a gun. Unless you want to steal a gun of course. > If anything the gun owners should be happy, the government gave them free deterrence from being the target of crime. Unless they are the kind of person exposed to abnormal risk. The same people who are more likely to need or want a concealed weapon. Examples include judges and correctional officers who are called out in the data explicitly. Or anyone with an abusive partner or stalker who can look them up by name. They’re probably feeling less thankful right now.
    - Clubber 4y ago
      Or they just wait until the homeowner leaves for work.