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well exactly, you wouldn't notice the tricks used to make it completely indistinguishable from reality, you wouldn't notice the pitch perfect voice, you wouldn'

well exactly, you wouldn't notice the tricks used to make it completely indistinguishable from reality, you wouldn't notice the pitch perfect voice, you wouldn't notice anything if it's done by a professional

workingon 4y ago
The point they are making is that if you’re hiring a fake person for a job who can’t do the job, some of the screening questions should’ve let you pick up on that. And if you don’t you’re at best a bad interviewer.
- throwaway2048 4y ago
  Who says they can't do the job? It would be easy for a tech-knowledgeable scammer to interview at 100 companies, collect 100 pay-cheques and then dissapear.
  - chrisco255 4y ago
    I think that's a more realistic possibility. That you have an actual software engineer with tech knowledge doing old fashioned social engineering and doesn't care how many times they get fired. But the AI in this case is just providing a fake profile pic. It's not that deep, as the commenters in this thread are suggesting.
- jstarfish 4y ago
  Especially with people who speak broken English, this is easy to game though. Multiple people could be sitting behind a voice obfuscator and responding to questions as-needed. Inconsistencies are explained as nervousness. Video and voice desync can be handwaved away by poor connection. You dismiss people who fall for this as bad interviewers but I don't think you appreciate how sophisticated fraud has become-- with teleconferencing (anything internet-based, really), you never truly know you're interacting with who you think you are. You may not find out until they've collected a few paychecks, made copies of all your IP and disappeared into the night.
  - chrisco255 4y ago
    They are bad interviewers who should not be interviewing technical candidates if they fall for any such scheme, which is impractical and unrealistic in practice. I don't care about their broken english, I care about their technical competency. I'm sorry, but they aren't going to dupe me out of my expertise, unless they are actual software developers. But even an actual developer with the right experience could steal anything you give them access to. If you have concern about that, then you hire domestic and you require ID verification and you avoid contractors, so you know that you can at least prosecute them if they do. Any company who is hiring off the internet, internationally, on the basis of a deepfake and a resume and is granting them elevated access to client PII on day one deserves to be exploited and deserves to be sued by their clients.
notahacker 4y ago
Sure, but we're not talking about professionals spending hours perfecting takes, we're talking about people supposedly manipulating their own voice - probably to represent a completely different accent - in real time whilst being interviewed by someone probably paying an unusual amount of attention to tone of voice, possible hesitation etc. If people have the skills to do that near-flawlessly for 30 minutes, they probably don't need to bid on random non-deepfake work using someone else's ID... Even if interviewers don't suspect deepfakes, the audio artefacts of deepfakes (odd intonation, mispronunciation and pauses) are going to sound suspiciously like someone who isn't very confident in their answers or is bullshitting. Much easier for poor English speakers just to draft in a person who speaks better English and maybe knows more about the actual work for the interview...

workingon 4y ago

The point they are making is that if you’re hiring a fake person for a job who can’t do the job, some of the screening questions should’ve let you pick up on that. And if you don’t you’re at best a bad interviewer.

throwaway2048 4y ago
Who says they can't do the job? It would be easy for a tech-knowledgeable scammer to interview at 100 companies, collect 100 pay-cheques and then dissapear.
- chrisco255 4y ago
  I think that's a more realistic possibility. That you have an actual software engineer with tech knowledge doing old fashioned social engineering and doesn't care how many times they get fired. But the AI in this case is just providing a fake profile pic. It's not that deep, as the commenters in this thread are suggesting.
jstarfish 4y ago
Especially with people who speak broken English, this is easy to game though. Multiple people could be sitting behind a voice obfuscator and responding to questions as-needed. Inconsistencies are explained as nervousness. Video and voice desync can be handwaved away by poor connection. You dismiss people who fall for this as bad interviewers but I don't think you appreciate how sophisticated fraud has become-- with teleconferencing (anything internet-based, really), you never truly know you're interacting with who you think you are. You may not find out until they've collected a few paychecks, made copies of all your IP and disappeared into the night.
- chrisco255 4y ago
  They are bad interviewers who should not be interviewing technical candidates if they fall for any such scheme, which is impractical and unrealistic in practice. I don't care about their broken english, I care about their technical competency. I'm sorry, but they aren't going to dupe me out of my expertise, unless they are actual software developers. But even an actual developer with the right experience could steal anything you give them access to. If you have concern about that, then you hire domestic and you require ID verification and you avoid contractors, so you know that you can at least prosecute them if they do. Any company who is hiring off the internet, internationally, on the basis of a deepfake and a resume and is granting them elevated access to client PII on day one deserves to be exploited and deserves to be sued by their clients.

notahacker 4y ago

Sure, but we're not talking about professionals spending hours perfecting takes, we're talking about people supposedly manipulating their own voice - probably to represent a completely different accent - in real time whilst being interviewed by someone probably paying an unusual amount of attention to tone of voice, possible hesitation etc. If people have the skills to do that near-flawlessly for 30 minutes, they probably don't need to bid on random non-deepfake work using someone else's ID... Even if interviewers don't suspect deepfakes, the audio artefacts of deepfakes (odd intonation, mispronunciation and pauses) are going to sound suspiciously like someone who isn't very confident in their answers or is bullshitting. Much easier for poor English speakers just to draft in a person who speaks better English and maybe knows more about the actual work for the interview...