Point taken, upvote given, but for a lot of people standing up a standard redundant DB config for MySQL and Postgres isn't that big of a deal. I say this as an

Point taken, upvote given, but for a lot of people standing up a standard redundant DB config for MySQL and Postgres isn't that big of a deal. I say this as an engineer who has a ton of relational DB experience. Before cloud providers w/DB options were so plentiful devs/engineers/sysadmins would have to set this up by hand. --- > If you had no knowledge on standing up a DB server My point is, "but yea what if you do?" There's actual value in that I've found, especially when I'm looking to save pennies at the early-stage of a startup while in the customer aq phase. Many folks have expertise in those areas without needing a cloud provider. I do get the "but all of these things!" argument (access control, patches, updates, monitoring, logging) but often those are easily solved/solvable problems even without leveraging cloud offerings. I can get very far along with an ELK/TIG stack + uptime robot and basic VPS networking features... all for a very affordable monthly bill on the infra.