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I’ve explored the states in my 20’s and 30’s and I’m pretty happy with where I ended up compared to the other options here, but I’m really at the point where I

I’ve explored the states in my 20’s and 30’s and I’m pretty happy with where I ended up compared to the other options here, but I’m really at the point where I don’t see the US as making it out of this mess. Collapsing empire, so to speak.

wbsss4412 4y ago
If your primary concern is collapsing US empire, you aren’t necessarily limiting your exposure by leaving the country. A rapid collapse of US hegemony would lead to a fairly chaotic reordering of the global system.
- snoopy_telex 4y ago
  That's fair, but I think it would be a easier transition to be... not here when it happens. Another issue is around the slow decay into a theocracy. You have sitting members of congress saying “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk.”, and my conservative relatives talk openly and widely around wanting to revoke the second amendment and make this a true christian nation. Will this happen? Maybe not, but I feel like it's entirely possible that it could, and I don't want to be here for that. I grew up in a hyper religious environment and my life is measurably better existing without religion. I don't want to go back to living in that environment.
  - wbsss4412 4y ago
    Well, on the basis of the theocracy concerns, it’s probably best to look at Northern/Western Europe, where secularism is the strongest. You aren’t going to have to worry about a church takeover in France any time soon. Edit: East Asia is also an option.
    - mbg721 4y ago
      Wow, of all the historical ironies...
      - wbsss4412 4y ago
        It is indeed quite ironic, but it’s the state of affairs today. Though true separation between church and state began in France so, yeah.
diob 4y ago
I'm similar to you. I'm worried that if I don't leave soon I may get rounded up post 2024. Others may be willing to take a chance, I'm not.

wbsss4412 4y ago

If your primary concern is collapsing US empire, you aren’t necessarily limiting your exposure by leaving the country. A rapid collapse of US hegemony would lead to a fairly chaotic reordering of the global system.

snoopy_telex 4y ago
That's fair, but I think it would be a easier transition to be... not here when it happens. Another issue is around the slow decay into a theocracy. You have sitting members of congress saying “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk.”, and my conservative relatives talk openly and widely around wanting to revoke the second amendment and make this a true christian nation. Will this happen? Maybe not, but I feel like it's entirely possible that it could, and I don't want to be here for that. I grew up in a hyper religious environment and my life is measurably better existing without religion. I don't want to go back to living in that environment.
- wbsss4412 4y ago
  Well, on the basis of the theocracy concerns, it’s probably best to look at Northern/Western Europe, where secularism is the strongest. You aren’t going to have to worry about a church takeover in France any time soon. Edit: East Asia is also an option.
  - mbg721 4y ago
    Wow, of all the historical ironies...
    - wbsss4412 4y ago
      It is indeed quite ironic, but it’s the state of affairs today. Though true separation between church and state began in France so, yeah.

diob 4y ago

I'm similar to you. I'm worried that if I don't leave soon I may get rounded up post 2024. Others may be willing to take a chance, I'm not.