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> They kept referring to this as "ordered liberty" which I took for morality. I don't think that's what that meant. I think the meaning was more along the lin

> They kept referring to this as "ordered liberty" which I took for morality. I don't think that's what that meant. I think the meaning was more along the lines of "liberty, but not everything-goes liberty." It's defined in the dictionary as "freedom limited by the need for order in society" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/ordered%20liberty https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/ordered%20liberty), and appears to be legal/political science jargon with some history behind it.

kodah 4y ago
I understood that, but wouldn't the limits also involve moral interpretations?
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > I understood that, but wouldn't the limits also involve moral interpretations? Perhaps, but you seemed to be saying you took is as synonymous with morality, which doesn't seem like a correct reading. Morality doesn't seem to be very key to the concept, if it's even there at all. https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/liberty/ https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/liberty/ > Ordered liberty is the desirable condition in which both public order and personal liberty are maintained. But how can liberty and authority, freedom and power, be combined and balanced so that one does not predominate over the other? This was the basic problem of constitutional government that concerned the founders of the United States, and it has continued to challenge Americans as democracy has evolved and expanded throughout the history of their country. Early on, James Madison noted the challenges of ordered liberty in a 1788 letter to Thomas Jefferson: ‘‘It is a melancholy reflection that liberty should be equally exposed to danger whether the Government has too much or too little power; and that the line which divides these extremes should be so inaccurately defined by experience.’’

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> They kept referring to this as "ordered liberty" which I took for morality. I don't think that's what that meant. I think the meaning was more along the lin

by tablespoon 4y ago

kodah 4y ago
I understood that, but wouldn't the limits also involve moral interpretations?
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > I understood that, but wouldn't the limits also involve moral interpretations? Perhaps, but you seemed to be saying you took is as synonymous with morality, which doesn't seem like a correct reading. Morality doesn't seem to be very key to the concept, if it's even there at all. https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/liberty/ https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/liberty/ > Ordered liberty is the desirable condition in which both public order and personal liberty are maintained. But how can liberty and authority, freedom and power, be combined and balanced so that one does not predominate over the other? This was the basic problem of constitutional government that concerned the founders of the United States, and it has continued to challenge Americans as democracy has evolved and expanded throughout the history of their country. Early on, James Madison noted the challenges of ordered liberty in a 1788 letter to Thomas Jefferson: ‘‘It is a melancholy reflection that liberty should be equally exposed to danger whether the Government has too much or too little power; and that the line which divides these extremes should be so inaccurately defined by experience.’’