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If you replace "company" with "individual", then the entire thing makes sense - individuals (and therefore companies) should be assumed to have changed until fu

If you replace "company" with "individual", then the entire thing makes sense - individuals (and therefore companies) should be assumed to have changed until further evidence proves otherwise (innocent until proven guilty and all that). That's why the concept of "repeat offenders" exists, and they do tend to be punished more harshly, at least in the case of individuals. So, time for an extension of that concept to corporations, as well?

transportgo 4y ago
Corporations are people too.
thfuran 4y ago
>individuals (and therefore companies) Alright, you've lost me. Why should corporations always be treated the same as individuals?
- voakbasda 4y ago
  In the US, the courts have declared corporations are people for all intents and purposes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood?wprov=sft...
  - pie420 4y ago
    that doesn't answer his question on why it should be that way. Courts have said many things over the years, doesn't make it any less of an appeal to authority logical fallacy.
    - voakbasda 4y ago
      The Wikipedia page that I linked provides a thorough explanation as to why corporations are considered citizens, so I do believe it directly answers the question. In this light, it was not intended as an appeal to authority. Personally, I think the status quo is entirely and grossly unjustifiable. Citizens United needs to be overturned; corporations are not people and do not deserve the same rights as individuals. My opinion on that matter does not change the reality that they are considered such and only serves to confuse the matter.
  - thfuran 4y ago
    No, they really haven't. Corporations are afforded only some of the same legal status as actual people are.
- randomdata 4y ago
  Corporations shouldn't necessarily always be treated the same as individuals, but in this case if it is believed that individuals will change then corporations will also change as corporations are an extension of individuals.
- cardiffspaceman 4y ago
  Assuming things like the tendency to increase the consequences for individuals is a good tendency, perhaps the desire is to have consequences for corporations also increase.
- deleted 4y ago
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- throw10920 4y ago
  "Therefore" was not the right word there (although edit window has passed). "Also" would have been better. I also don't think that corporations should always be treated the same as individuals - just in some ways, and this is one of them.
gtvwill 4y ago
Put the members of the corporation in jail rather than a token fine and then I'll consider them the same as an individual. But more often than not corporations get away with literal murder with nothing more than a fine. So no corporations are not the same, they deserve no extensions if anything they deserve to be cracked down on harder.

transportgo 4y ago

Corporations are people too.

thfuran 4y ago

>individuals (and therefore companies) Alright, you've lost me. Why should corporations always be treated the same as individuals?

voakbasda 4y ago
In the US, the courts have declared corporations are people for all intents and purposes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood?wprov=sft...
- pie420 4y ago
  that doesn't answer his question on why it should be that way. Courts have said many things over the years, doesn't make it any less of an appeal to authority logical fallacy.
  - voakbasda 4y ago
    The Wikipedia page that I linked provides a thorough explanation as to why corporations are considered citizens, so I do believe it directly answers the question. In this light, it was not intended as an appeal to authority. Personally, I think the status quo is entirely and grossly unjustifiable. Citizens United needs to be overturned; corporations are not people and do not deserve the same rights as individuals. My opinion on that matter does not change the reality that they are considered such and only serves to confuse the matter.
- thfuran 4y ago
  No, they really haven't. Corporations are afforded only some of the same legal status as actual people are.
randomdata 4y ago
Corporations shouldn't necessarily always be treated the same as individuals, but in this case if it is believed that individuals will change then corporations will also change as corporations are an extension of individuals.
cardiffspaceman 4y ago
Assuming things like the tendency to increase the consequences for individuals is a good tendency, perhaps the desire is to have consequences for corporations also increase.
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throw10920 4y ago
"Therefore" was not the right word there (although edit window has passed). "Also" would have been better. I also don't think that corporations should always be treated the same as individuals - just in some ways, and this is one of them.

gtvwill 4y ago

Put the members of the corporation in jail rather than a token fine and then I'll consider them the same as an individual. But more often than not corporations get away with literal murder with nothing more than a fine. So no corporations are not the same, they deserve no extensions if anything they deserve to be cracked down on harder.