I had almost forgotten that Bill Joy, the creator of vi is also the co-founder of Sun; and Gosling, the father of Java authored his own version of Emacs. Isn't

I had almost forgotten that Bill Joy, the creator of vi is also the co-founder of Sun; and Gosling, the father of Java authored his own version of Emacs. Isn't it ironic that most people find Java, one of the major accomplishments of Sun, is almost impossible to code in vim or emacs without an IDE though?