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It's just tacked on to identity politics. It doesn't really matter what the issue at hand is, only what stance is taken with the group the people identify with.
by oneplane 4y ago
It's just tacked on to identity politics. It doesn't really matter what the issue at hand is, only what stance is taken with the group the people identify with.
There is no logic on the issue itself at all, trying to find any logic will only result in conflicting results. (i.e. being against governmental influence, but wanting the government to control people's bodies; or having death penalties and weekly school shootings and not helping people to survive with basic living standards, but forcing childbirth wherever possible)
- lotsofpulp 4y agoThere certainly is logic to guaranteeing women healthcare (abortion choice) during their pregnancy.
- ghufran_syed 4y ago
- Retric 4y agoSo might unfertilized eggs. Except anthropomorphism results in meaningless arguments, extremely simple creatures don’t have such complex wants.
- jonhohle 4y agoUnfertilized eggs are not human and have no capacity to become human. Should “lesser” humans have fewer rights than “full” humans? I think we’ve already been through that a few times in history and it has always turned out to be the wrong choice.
- Retric 4y agoThey don’t need the capacity to become human they are human. How else would you describe these unfertilized eggs except as living organisms, species human? Unless you want to suggest your ancestors are egg, human, egg, human, egg, human … If you want to give all humans the same rights then they should clearly qualify. Of course giving an egg, fetus, or baby the right to vote in an election is going to run into some practical problems.
- rimunroe 4y agoI'm not conceding any other part of whatever argument you're making, but saying that unfertilized eggs are individual humans is completely ludicrous. They aren't separate organisms. They might eventually be used to create one, but it's not likely. This is like arguing that every skin cell is an individual human just because you could theoretically extract DNA from it and make a clone.
- Retric 4y agoEggs are happy to sit frozen for decades outside a human body after the donors death then be implanted in someone else. That’s a living organism though less hardy than a HeLa cell line. Sure they aren’t viable on their own, but apparently we can’t apply that standard to a fetus. Clearly someone should not be considered alive because theirs frozen eggs still alive. That’s independent. Eggs that are sitting around like that presumably have vastly higher odds of being implanted than one of your random skin cells. Something like 15 orders of magnitude or more. Despite what is sometimes said, the moment of fertilization isn’t suddenly creating life both cells where alive before that point.
- rimunroe 4y ago> but apparently we can’t apply that standard to a fetus For what it's worth I'm totally fine applying that standard to a fetus. Being able to be kept frozen outside a body doesn't make something an organism, at least not by any definition of the term I've ever heard.
- rimunroe 4y ago(Though to be clear I think a person should be able to do whatever they want with whatever is inside them until the moment it’s not)
- antifa 4y agoMaybe if the state enforced birth crowd adopted some post-birth childcare policies that weren't pure social darwinism and rugged individualism, less people would want to abort...
- LatteLazy 4y agoNo fetus has ever objected to anything...