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> . I haven't seen how any of these EU laws get around the reality of Apple's ownership of its own intellectual property. I can't imagine how the EU could force

by stale2002 4y ago

> . I haven't seen how any of these EU laws get around the reality of Apple's ownership of its own intellectual property. I can't imagine how the EU could force Apple to supply its intellectual property to app developers under different terms It is pretty simple. Companies that want to operate in the EU have to follow certain laws, or pay a huge fine. Technically speaking, these are requirements to operate in the market. So I guess if Apple wants to pull out of international markets, and never sell an iPhone again in the EU, that would also be an option. But, my guess is that they don't want to lose those billions of dollars. > I'm really not sure how developers are going to legally build apps to put in those stores. Its simple. Either Apple follows the law and gives app developers the ability to build apps, pays a huge fine, or leaves the entire EU market. Those are Apple's only 3 choices. And if they try a clever way to get around the law by using some sort of intellectual property strategy that you are hinting at, then they pay the huge fine, which is calculated based on a large percentage of global revenue. Enjoy thoses laws that you cannot stop! They will likely come into effect in less than a year. They can't be stopped. Apple should have addressed its own anti-competitive behavior before it got to the point where this was necessary. Its way too late now though.

simondotau 4y ago
Your lack of response to any of the substantive points is noted. But you are right, we’re all going to see. It will be interesting to see how it does play out. Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall, but I’d wager that it won’t be nearly as simplistic as you’re imagining. Especially since your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall We pretty much do know how things will work out, actually. That's why people made these laws. The laws were made to force Apple, and similar, to open up their app stores. And if Apple doesn't follow the law, then they will be fined billions of dollars. Because that's why they made these laws in the first place. You saying that people don't know, is cope on your part, because you can't handled that Apple lost, and cannot win against governments.
  - simondotau 4y ago
    Cope? Seriously? I’m trying to have a considered conversation, I’m not interested in engaging you in an irrelevant battle of Twitter-derived smack talk. I’ll say again, your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.
    - stale2002 4y ago
      Yes basically it is cope. Law makers created these laws, specifically for the purpose of opening up these app stores, among other things. And then you are saying that actually the law won't do what it is directly intending on doing. The point of all of these laws are to open up these app stores. That is the direct goal. And clever attempts to get around them, will result in billions of dollars in fines to Apple. I am happy to come back to your posts, months later when the laws are in effect, and make fun of you for being wrong on that though. Really, I am more of a "I told you so" kind of person, though. Because when I come back, and say "I told you so", you won't be able to make any cope/reaching/bad counterarguments. You'll know, definitively, that you were wrong, and you won't be able to hide from that. These are falsifiable claims about how things will turn out. And since they are falsifiable, I can make fun of someone, when the statements are falsified, and the laws are in effect. And there will be no hiding from how bad your predictions were, when I can show it to your face, when it happens.
      - simondotau 4y ago
        When someone writes a law saying that Apple is required to give their intellectual property away for free and forcefully open the floodgates of third party app stores, and this law passes, and this law survives challenge in the relevant court, then you'll be entitled to be that "I told you so" kind of person. Happy to wait. In the meantime it seems you're operating under a misapprehension that any of that has occurred when in fact none of that has. Even the most optimistic reading of DMA doesn't support your fan fiction.
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simondotau 4y ago

Your lack of response to any of the substantive points is noted. But you are right, we’re all going to see. It will be interesting to see how it does play out. Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall, but I’d wager that it won’t be nearly as simplistic as you’re imagining. Especially since your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.

stale2002 4y ago
> Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall We pretty much do know how things will work out, actually. That's why people made these laws. The laws were made to force Apple, and similar, to open up their app stores. And if Apple doesn't follow the law, then they will be fined billions of dollars. Because that's why they made these laws in the first place. You saying that people don't know, is cope on your part, because you can't handled that Apple lost, and cannot win against governments.
- simondotau 4y ago
  Cope? Seriously? I’m trying to have a considered conversation, I’m not interested in engaging you in an irrelevant battle of Twitter-derived smack talk. I’ll say again, your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    Yes basically it is cope. Law makers created these laws, specifically for the purpose of opening up these app stores, among other things. And then you are saying that actually the law won't do what it is directly intending on doing. The point of all of these laws are to open up these app stores. That is the direct goal. And clever attempts to get around them, will result in billions of dollars in fines to Apple. I am happy to come back to your posts, months later when the laws are in effect, and make fun of you for being wrong on that though. Really, I am more of a "I told you so" kind of person, though. Because when I come back, and say "I told you so", you won't be able to make any cope/reaching/bad counterarguments. You'll know, definitively, that you were wrong, and you won't be able to hide from that. These are falsifiable claims about how things will turn out. And since they are falsifiable, I can make fun of someone, when the statements are falsified, and the laws are in effect. And there will be no hiding from how bad your predictions were, when I can show it to your face, when it happens.
    - simondotau 4y ago
      When someone writes a law saying that Apple is required to give their intellectual property away for free and forcefully open the floodgates of third party app stores, and this law passes, and this law survives challenge in the relevant court, then you'll be entitled to be that "I told you so" kind of person. Happy to wait. In the meantime it seems you're operating under a misapprehension that any of that has occurred when in fact none of that has. Even the most optimistic reading of DMA doesn't support your fan fiction.
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