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wandb forbids reusing the models and other information, independently of their usage, so they should find another source for their models EDIT: as I am being a

wandb forbids reusing the models and other information, independently of their usage, so they should find another source for their models EDIT: as I am being accused of inventing it I will quote the terms of agreement and license, since maybe its own founder seems to not have read it or someone without training on how to write proper terms and agreements made it for them and the restrictive usage of "Material" does apply to its hosted software. Note that there is no formal definition of "Materials" or "Service", so that it applies to all the contents of the webpage including the software stored there: https://wandb.ai/site/terms https://wandb.ai/site/terms I quote it: 2. Use License Whether you are accessing the Services for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only (our free license for individuals only), for academic use, or for commercial purposes (our subscription package for businesses), permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the information or software (the “Materials”) from our website. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license, you may not: a. Modify or copy the Materials; b. Use the Materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial); c. Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained in the Materials; d. Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the Materials; or e. Transfer the Materials to another person or "mirror" the Materials on any other server. This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by us at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format. f. Utilize our personal license for individuals for commercial purposes and any such use of our personal license for commercial purposes (e.g. using your corporate email) may result in immediate termination of your license.

slewis 4y ago
Founder of Weights & Biases here (wandb). We don’t forbid anything, models are property of the people who created them. Why do you think that? EDIT: I'll edit respond, since you did. Look at sections 3b and 3c in the terms, they cover Models and other user content specifically. Those are user property, not our property. But I can see how this is confusing. We will clarify it.
- idontknowifican 4y ago
  - nudpiedo 4y ago
    Please abstain yourself of writing any sort of derogatory comment without provide any constructive argument to the conversation, and just downvote the comment, or even better: follow how the conversation follows. I also recommend you to read the guidelines on how to post in the HN community, check the section regarding how and what to comment in the link here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html EDIT: added link
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- nudpiedo 4y ago
  Did you write your own terms of agreement rather than a lawyer? I signed up today and that was explicitly written in the license agreement, point 2. Note that there is no formal definition of "Materials" or "Service", so that it applies to all the contents of the webpage including the software stored there, and as soon as anything is ambiguous the interpretation is free (or random). https://wandb.ai/site/terms https://wandb.ai/site/terms I quote it: 2. Use License Whether you are accessing the Services for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only (our free license for individuals only), for academic use, or for commercial purposes (our subscription package for businesses), permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the information or software (the “Materials”) from our website. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license, you may not: a. Modify or copy the Materials; b. Use the Materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial); c. Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained in the Materials; d. Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the Materials; or e. Transfer the Materials to another person or "mirror" the Materials on any other server. This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by us at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format. f. Utilize our personal license for individuals for commercial purposes and any such use of our personal license for commercial purposes (e.g. using your corporate email) may result in immediate termination of your license.

slewis 4y ago

Founder of Weights & Biases here (wandb). We don’t forbid anything, models are property of the people who created them. Why do you think that? EDIT: I'll edit respond, since you did. Look at sections 3b and 3c in the terms, they cover Models and other user content specifically. Those are user property, not our property. But I can see how this is confusing. We will clarify it.

idontknowifican 4y ago
- nudpiedo 4y ago
  Please abstain yourself of writing any sort of derogatory comment without provide any constructive argument to the conversation, and just downvote the comment, or even better: follow how the conversation follows. I also recommend you to read the guidelines on how to post in the HN community, check the section regarding how and what to comment in the link here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html EDIT: added link
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nudpiedo 4y ago
Did you write your own terms of agreement rather than a lawyer? I signed up today and that was explicitly written in the license agreement, point 2. Note that there is no formal definition of "Materials" or "Service", so that it applies to all the contents of the webpage including the software stored there, and as soon as anything is ambiguous the interpretation is free (or random). https://wandb.ai/site/terms https://wandb.ai/site/terms I quote it: 2. Use License Whether you are accessing the Services for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only (our free license for individuals only), for academic use, or for commercial purposes (our subscription package for businesses), permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the information or software (the “Materials”) from our website. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license, you may not: a. Modify or copy the Materials; b. Use the Materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial); c. Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained in the Materials; d. Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the Materials; or e. Transfer the Materials to another person or "mirror" the Materials on any other server. This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by us at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format. f. Utilize our personal license for individuals for commercial purposes and any such use of our personal license for commercial purposes (e.g. using your corporate email) may result in immediate termination of your license.