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I am still hoping for a large, reasonable priced eInk display that I can frame and hang up on a wall. Does not even have to be color, I would be fine with just

by fho 4y ago

I am still hoping for a large, reasonable priced eInk display that I can frame and hang up on a wall. Does not even have to be color, I would be fine with just changing through different black&white dithered images over time. But large eInk displays are prohibitively expensive for what is basically a gimmick :-/

nextos 4y ago
Me too, but perhaps cheap AMOLEDs will come sooner and they can kind of be an okeyish replacement? If one runs an AMOLED on black background, e.g. a terminal, a text editor or an inverted PDF, only the pixels displaying characters will be lit. Maybe this is good enough? I experimented with an AMOLED tablet displaying inverted PDFs and it felt similar to a Kindle. However, this was my completely subjective perception. It could be that in the long run, it is tiring for the eyes as well. IMHO, the worst part about displays is staring at a bright LED backlight all day long. Screens such as Dell UltraSharp, which are able to dim the backlight a lot and do not flicker feel much better.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  OLED displays cannot replace E-ink displays. Even reading on dark backgrounds with OLED tires my eyes the same way using an IPS panel. Nothing can replace the dynamics of an e-ink display as of today.
  - frosted-flakes 4y ago
    Sharp's Memory LCD comes pretty close. It's a high contrast LCD with a reflective back layer that mimics paper and has very low power consumption. But I believe it's only available on small sizes, and it's a one-bit display (no greyscale). This screen is used in Panic's Playdate game console as well as the Pebble smartwatch. https://sharpdevices.com/memory-lcd/#1615975689583-4d044034-56d122b6-23f8 https://sharpdevices.com/memory-lcd/#1615975689583-4d044034-... https://www.adafruit.com/product/4694 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4694
    - bayindirh 4y ago
      That looks really interesting. It's really useful in some applications, I can see that. Thanks for sharing.
reacharavindh 4y ago
This. I'd buy a reasonably priced 10+ inch E-ink display that I can use as an art display on the wall or a creative dashboard of things I care about. However, anything above the size of a Kindle is too expensive for this purpose. A kindle is rather too small... I will wait until I can buy one for < EUR 200. I dont need wifi, "smart", or "cloud" features in it. Just the ability to push images into it statically.
- arnsholt 4y ago
  Inkplate (https://e-radionica.com/en/inkplate.html https://e-radionica.com/en/inkplate.html) might work for you. It's still something you have to program yourself, but it's fairly streamlined.
  - fho 4y ago
    Nah ... those are still tiny compared to even a DIN A2 poster.
    - dotancohen 4y ago
      There is a 9.7" monitor in there. It's not the 10+" that GP asked for, but it is within 5% of that target.
      - fho 4y ago
        Fair ... I just read your response and assumed it was answering to my complaints :-) He specifically asked for a 10" inch display and your proposal fits there.
- Guest19023892 4y ago
  I was planning to do a similar project and I was thinking about the below displays. Leaning towards the 10.3" because of the price and resolution. https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/10.3inch-e-paper-hat.htm?___SID=U https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/... https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/13.3inch-e-paper-hat.htm?___SID=U https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/...
RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago
Good news is they do exist, and manufacturers do make them even if they are prohibitively expensive. If you want it enough you can actually pay to get it made and shipped to you, which is better than not having that option at all.
- fho 4y ago
  Last time I checked in the displays in the sizes I am interested in (>= DIN A2) are in the lower five figure ranges ... for that price I could buy several real art pieces that I like :-)
  - RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago
    yikes. Fair enough.

by fho 4y ago

nextos 4y ago

Me too, but perhaps cheap AMOLEDs will come sooner and they can kind of be an okeyish replacement? If one runs an AMOLED on black background, e.g. a terminal, a text editor or an inverted PDF, only the pixels displaying characters will be lit. Maybe this is good enough? I experimented with an AMOLED tablet displaying inverted PDFs and it felt similar to a Kindle. However, this was my completely subjective perception. It could be that in the long run, it is tiring for the eyes as well. IMHO, the worst part about displays is staring at a bright LED backlight all day long. Screens such as Dell UltraSharp, which are able to dim the backlight a lot and do not flicker feel much better.

bayindirh 4y ago
OLED displays cannot replace E-ink displays. Even reading on dark backgrounds with OLED tires my eyes the same way using an IPS panel. Nothing can replace the dynamics of an e-ink display as of today.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  Sharp's Memory LCD comes pretty close. It's a high contrast LCD with a reflective back layer that mimics paper and has very low power consumption. But I believe it's only available on small sizes, and it's a one-bit display (no greyscale). This screen is used in Panic's Playdate game console as well as the Pebble smartwatch. https://sharpdevices.com/memory-lcd/#1615975689583-4d044034-56d122b6-23f8 https://sharpdevices.com/memory-lcd/#1615975689583-4d044034-... https://www.adafruit.com/product/4694 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4694
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    That looks really interesting. It's really useful in some applications, I can see that. Thanks for sharing.

reacharavindh 4y ago

This. I'd buy a reasonably priced 10+ inch E-ink display that I can use as an art display on the wall or a creative dashboard of things I care about. However, anything above the size of a Kindle is too expensive for this purpose. A kindle is rather too small... I will wait until I can buy one for < EUR 200. I dont need wifi, "smart", or "cloud" features in it. Just the ability to push images into it statically.

arnsholt 4y ago
Inkplate (https://e-radionica.com/en/inkplate.html https://e-radionica.com/en/inkplate.html) might work for you. It's still something you have to program yourself, but it's fairly streamlined.
- fho 4y ago
  Nah ... those are still tiny compared to even a DIN A2 poster.
  - dotancohen 4y ago
    There is a 9.7" monitor in there. It's not the 10+" that GP asked for, but it is within 5% of that target.
    - fho 4y ago
      Fair ... I just read your response and assumed it was answering to my complaints :-) He specifically asked for a 10" inch display and your proposal fits there.
Guest19023892 4y ago
I was planning to do a similar project and I was thinking about the below displays. Leaning towards the 10.3" because of the price and resolution. https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/10.3inch-e-paper-hat.htm?___SID=U https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/... https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/13.3inch-e-paper-hat.htm?___SID=U https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1/...

RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago

Good news is they do exist, and manufacturers do make them even if they are prohibitively expensive. If you want it enough you can actually pay to get it made and shipped to you, which is better than not having that option at all.

fho 4y ago
Last time I checked in the displays in the sizes I am interested in (>= DIN A2) are in the lower five figure ranges ... for that price I could buy several real art pieces that I like :-)
- RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago
  yikes. Fair enough.