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That’s fair enough, but from a candidate’s perspective most interviewers just want people who can BS effectively. They don’t want to train new hires in their pa

That’s fair enough, but from a candidate’s perspective most interviewers just want people who can BS effectively. They don’t want to train new hires in their particular stack. They want a ready-made candidate who already has “experience” in X Y Z W A B C. Call it tragedy of the commons, but being honest is not an optimal way to play the game.

vbezhenar 4y ago
I wouldn't like to work in a place where most people lied to get a job. May be if I would be desperate to find a job, I'd lie as well, but software developer is a hot place now and it shouldn't be too hard to find adequate people IMO.
- zarzavat 4y ago
  It’s not good for anybody, but it is some kind of game theoretic equilibrium whereby the hiring machinery is incentivized to find candidates who are good fits for a company’s stack, and candidates are incentivized to present themselves to be such. The way to solve it is to make the hiring process independent of experience with a particular stack and just hire engineers with good fundamentals, which is what FAANGs do by necessity (because their stack is proprietary), but others don’t want to do because they are afraid it would be too expensive. I should probably say that I’m in Europe. Things may be different in SV.
- Jiro 4y ago
  >I wouldn't like to work in a place where most people lied to get a job. "A place where most people lied to get a (tech) job", is the world. And the world is the only place that has jobs.
- bradlys 4y ago
  Software is hot only in the sense that there are “jobs” available. Whether or not those jobs are good or pay well is another factor. Do you really think everyone has a spot at FAANG-etc? They don’t - I know because I work at them and we reject so many people at the on-site stage.
  - leaflets2 4y ago
    > reject so many people at the on-site stage. About how many percent? What could be ways to find out sooner that they're not the best person for the job? (What about doing half the interviews remotely?)

vbezhenar 4y ago

I wouldn't like to work in a place where most people lied to get a job. May be if I would be desperate to find a job, I'd lie as well, but software developer is a hot place now and it shouldn't be too hard to find adequate people IMO.

zarzavat 4y ago
It’s not good for anybody, but it is some kind of game theoretic equilibrium whereby the hiring machinery is incentivized to find candidates who are good fits for a company’s stack, and candidates are incentivized to present themselves to be such. The way to solve it is to make the hiring process independent of experience with a particular stack and just hire engineers with good fundamentals, which is what FAANGs do by necessity (because their stack is proprietary), but others don’t want to do because they are afraid it would be too expensive. I should probably say that I’m in Europe. Things may be different in SV.
Jiro 4y ago
>I wouldn't like to work in a place where most people lied to get a job. "A place where most people lied to get a (tech) job", is the world. And the world is the only place that has jobs.
bradlys 4y ago
Software is hot only in the sense that there are “jobs” available. Whether or not those jobs are good or pay well is another factor. Do you really think everyone has a spot at FAANG-etc? They don’t - I know because I work at them and we reject so many people at the on-site stage.
- leaflets2 4y ago
  > reject so many people at the on-site stage. About how many percent? What could be ways to find out sooner that they're not the best person for the job? (What about doing half the interviews remotely?)