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"The raw, unfiltered mess of the Internet was quickly becoming the New Cool Thing, and no-one wanted to sign up for yet another Stupid Proprietary Thing" Which
by NonNefarious 4y ago
"The raw, unfiltered mess of the Internet was quickly becoming the New Cool Thing, and no-one wanted to sign up for yet another Stupid Proprietary Thing"
Which is exactly what Microsoft is pushing today with their idiotic "Microsoft account," making it increasingly impossible to use Windows or their other products without signing on to this bullshit.
They clearly didn't learn the first time around. Nobody wants another goddamned account, Microsoft.
- selcuka 4y agoPlaying devil's advocate here: For all practical purposes you need an account for macOS, iOS, and Android. What is so different with Windows?
- nerdponx 4y agoYou definitely don't need an iCloud account to use Apple hardware.
- ChikkaChiChi 4y agoYet. However you do have to deal with an unremovable red notification on your system preferences demanding you to sign in to use icloud.
- andai 4y agoI think you can't install anything on iOS without logging in, and the app store is the only way to get software (without rooting). I guess you could use the built in apps though, and the camera...
- simonh 4y agoThe iCloud service is separate from the App Store service, and you can be logged into one but not the other, however you log in to both using the same AppleID. You can actually be logged into iCloud using one AppleID and the App Store with a different one, at least a family member had their phone set up that way for a while, for reasons. If you set up a Mac without an AppleID you'll constantly get nagged every time anything that requires it tries to do anything, which is frequently.
- NonNefarious 4y agoLike what?
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- Datagenerator 4y agoIt's our Personal Computer, not Microsoft's. But since discovering the peaceful i3WM on Debian the need to boot into the telemetry riddled spyware called Windows has been minimized. Need TPM? Use ProxMox and run Win11 without the 'required' hardware in an isolated network.
- 0des 4y agoI often look at these struggles with modern operating systems and think "BeOS wouldn't have done this". Then I laugh because in that world, BeOS would be where MacOS is now (quite literally certain on this), and would probably have resulted in the same product.
- IntelMiner 4y agoI always roll my eyes when people sneer at the "forced" hardware upgrade Windows 11 requires. Even when I patiently explain to them what it's for The entire point of the mandated minimum requirements was hardware that had silicon level mitigation support for Meltdown and Spectre type attacks. Something that impacted both AMD and Intel CPU's and still has new variants popping up (we're on what, Spectre v4 by now?) The only way to truly mitigate these issues (other than undoing 30 years of CPU advancement) was an entire top-to-bottom set of mitigations. From the silicon up through the operating system and even applications such as browsers
- cowtools 4y agoWindows users have been conditioned into thinking it's acceptable to install invasive, malicious closed-source software. Hardware vulnerabilities are the least of their issues. The windows security model has been completely broken from the start.
- 9dev 4y agoThere is nothing inherently „broken“ about the security design. Do you even realise how diluted this sounds? I’m all for watching corporations closely, but the tale you’re telling is simply wrong, and I hope you know that, even if it sure is tempting that you might know better than the rest of the world…
- q-big 4y ago> Playing devil's advocate here: For all practical purposes you need an account for macOS, iOS, and Android. What is so different with Windows? Who says that your parent is not similarly opposed to these accounts?
- mbreese 4y agoIgnoring the mobile accounts, which are largely mandatory because of the App stores… You need an account to login to a Mac, but it’s not an iCloud account. If you want to use iCloud, you can link your login account to it. But it is completely optional. I don’t understand at all why I needed to setup (and link) a Microsoft.com account to my personal computer. The worst part is, I use multiple Microsoft online accounts. Which one should be associated with my computer login? My Xbox account? My work account? None of this makes sense to me.
- kolinko 4y agoOn macOS it asks you to set up once during the first startup, and then doesn’t nag you all the time if you don’t want to. I set up Macs for people without an iCloud and it was not an issue - they didn’t miss it, aside from notes not syncing between devices and other features that need iCloud. On Windows it will keep trying you to sign up all the time. I have just one machine with Windows, I don’t need an MS account, I don’t need their cloud features nor their store, and Windows keeps pushing me to set up one.
- CJefferson 4y agoMy Mac settings app has a permenent "1 notification" red dot, because I haven't logged my Apple ID in, and every so often (about once a month), a notification pops up to remind me to log my Apple ID in. I'd love to learn how to get rid of those.
- kolinko 4y agoAh, right, I forgot about these. Question - is it because you didn’t add any apple ID, or that you added it but didn’t log in? I remember MacOS prodding me the same way even with non-apple accounts when I added them but had expired passwords. If it’s that then you can go to the „accounts” preference and remove all the accounts. Perhaps it will help.
- NonNefarious 4y agoNot really. I set all of my Macs up with a local administrator ID, and Apple does not make that a giant pain in the ass or underhandedly switch it to an online log-in during OS installation the way Microsoft does. iOS is a bit more tied to an online account, but still not as offensive as Microsoft's execrable hounding and hobbling in Windows.
- xbar 4y agoAh. Perhaps you had to migrate your Mojang account recently. My daughter went through that yesterday. Stupid Microsoft continues to be stupid Microsoft.