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I get that you're unhappy, but you still haven't given a single example of oppression. They're corrupt and love to enrich themselves on taxpayers money, yes. T

I get that you're unhappy, but you still haven't given a single example of oppression. They're corrupt and love to enrich themselves on taxpayers money, yes. That doesn't make it an oppressive regime. If you call the EU ministry oppressive then the word loses its meaning, because they're a paper tiger/have no teeth. The worst they do is inhumane treatment of political refugees around Greece - which is abhorrent but doesn't fall under the definition of oppressive because these people aren't citizen/don't live here.

kkfx 4y ago
Enrich themselves, as private citizens/company is not a crime nor a bad thing per se, doing so as civil servant AGAINST their country, people interest is. A criminal state against it's own citizens it's not a Democracy and the alternative to Democracy is named dictatorship... What's wrong in this consideration? I agree that the nazi-alike treatments of migrants is not per se domestic oppression, they came from other countries so formally it's not an act against domestic citizens, BUT for instance privatization of the energy sector who push price up to the starts and made a mess we can barely have an operational service now is a crime against their own citizens. Imposing sanctions, formally, against a third party with the result of damaging domestic economy, for instance keeping buying Russian oil but instead of doing so directly a X price per barrel doing the same with the India intermediation or from the USA a X+50% per barrel is a crime and the list is long. Doing their best to circumvent Constitutional protection of Democracy is a coup and so on. They are oppressive like China? Not FOR NOW, simply because for now they can't, but they dream and want so and they working toward this direction.
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  My issue was only with the term oppressive regime to be honest, because its not and describing it as such deprives the word of it's meaning. That our societies struggle with greed to the detriment of the working class isn't controversial in my opinion ... Nor should it be blamed on the EU, as our sovreign governments, employers and at this point basically everyone is just as bad. > Enrich themselves, as private citizens/company is not a crime nor a bad thing per se I disagree there btw, it's inherently destructive to the society. But it's a societal issue, not a legislative one.
  - kkfx 4y ago
    Well, we need to allow some to get more than others simply because we are not all keen to work and be productive, without any incentive a certain cohort will do nothing, pretending as human being to be fed, to have a house etc as anyone else and another cohort would isolate them since they consume without producing. We need to redistribute richness via taxes to ensure a limited difference between the poorest and the richest, to avoid tearing the society apart, but still allow some who for instance produce more, innovate etc to get something more than one who do nothing. In that sense getting rich by heritage and personal work is not negative, taxes ensure avoiding a too asymmetric society and that's all. The issue arise when money is not a public unit of measure of a substrate (raw materials, work, know how etc) but a value per se, substrate of anything, administered by a set of private crooks to steer the society. Witch means the issue arise when taxes are governments income NOT a mean to redistribute richness. EU government do not represent EU people, so they are not Democracy, they have betrayed their people, Constitutions and Republics. So they are oppressive. Of course there are some more oppressive than others. But since we do not have a better terms (at least I do not know any in my limited English) I use that. I can say "soft power oppressors" vs "hard power ones". I can add mild oppressors vs truce one but still unable to find a better terms to describe them, if you know one I'm curious...
    - 411111111111111 4y ago
      Be that as it may, but you're misusing the term oppressive. And blaming the EU ministry in particular is also quiet misguided, as the local governments do the same and fuck you over much more effectively as they're actually able to significantly impact your life.
      - kkfx 4y ago
        Part of the issue is that I'm democratic witch means I'm ready to go to the street, pretending referendums and changes, however equally ready we are few enough thanks to decades of school reforms and propaganda, so the walkout would be like a small trip outside to get a bit of fresh air no one else care of. And that's an important part: I think we can't have Democracy because we miss the Demos. Actually just around 10-15% of total population can be labeled Demos, the rest can only be labeled "subject", mentally. Given that a cameback to classic aristocratic society is a bit automatic, the modern version for Russia is named "oligarchy" (as aristò happen also to be few-ish and not necessary "the best"), the west prefer "capitalism" and unfortunately the departure of such new model is not nice for a significant slice of the said 10-15% since a very small cancer do not want to divide power with anyone else counting on tech and finance to been able to rule alone. In that sense I still fail to see something else than "oppressive". AT least in Swiss they vote every two month to approve or reject laws, here protesters have asked for RIC (Citizens demanded referendums) but such request never arrive to the be law and not enough accept to impose such change via a general strike for instance. That means again, most agree with such governance, and since such governance do not respect the People... How can I call it?

kkfx 4y ago

Enrich themselves, as private citizens/company is not a crime nor a bad thing per se, doing so as civil servant AGAINST their country, people interest is. A criminal state against it's own citizens it's not a Democracy and the alternative to Democracy is named dictatorship... What's wrong in this consideration? I agree that the nazi-alike treatments of migrants is not per se domestic oppression, they came from other countries so formally it's not an act against domestic citizens, BUT for instance privatization of the energy sector who push price up to the starts and made a mess we can barely have an operational service now is a crime against their own citizens. Imposing sanctions, formally, against a third party with the result of damaging domestic economy, for instance keeping buying Russian oil but instead of doing so directly a X price per barrel doing the same with the India intermediation or from the USA a X+50% per barrel is a crime and the list is long. Doing their best to circumvent Constitutional protection of Democracy is a coup and so on. They are oppressive like China? Not FOR NOW, simply because for now they can't, but they dream and want so and they working toward this direction.

411111111111111 4y ago
My issue was only with the term oppressive regime to be honest, because its not and describing it as such deprives the word of it's meaning. That our societies struggle with greed to the detriment of the working class isn't controversial in my opinion ... Nor should it be blamed on the EU, as our sovreign governments, employers and at this point basically everyone is just as bad. > Enrich themselves, as private citizens/company is not a crime nor a bad thing per se I disagree there btw, it's inherently destructive to the society. But it's a societal issue, not a legislative one.
- kkfx 4y ago
  Well, we need to allow some to get more than others simply because we are not all keen to work and be productive, without any incentive a certain cohort will do nothing, pretending as human being to be fed, to have a house etc as anyone else and another cohort would isolate them since they consume without producing. We need to redistribute richness via taxes to ensure a limited difference between the poorest and the richest, to avoid tearing the society apart, but still allow some who for instance produce more, innovate etc to get something more than one who do nothing. In that sense getting rich by heritage and personal work is not negative, taxes ensure avoiding a too asymmetric society and that's all. The issue arise when money is not a public unit of measure of a substrate (raw materials, work, know how etc) but a value per se, substrate of anything, administered by a set of private crooks to steer the society. Witch means the issue arise when taxes are governments income NOT a mean to redistribute richness. EU government do not represent EU people, so they are not Democracy, they have betrayed their people, Constitutions and Republics. So they are oppressive. Of course there are some more oppressive than others. But since we do not have a better terms (at least I do not know any in my limited English) I use that. I can say "soft power oppressors" vs "hard power ones". I can add mild oppressors vs truce one but still unable to find a better terms to describe them, if you know one I'm curious...
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    Be that as it may, but you're misusing the term oppressive. And blaming the EU ministry in particular is also quiet misguided, as the local governments do the same and fuck you over much more effectively as they're actually able to significantly impact your life.
    - kkfx 4y ago
      Part of the issue is that I'm democratic witch means I'm ready to go to the street, pretending referendums and changes, however equally ready we are few enough thanks to decades of school reforms and propaganda, so the walkout would be like a small trip outside to get a bit of fresh air no one else care of. And that's an important part: I think we can't have Democracy because we miss the Demos. Actually just around 10-15% of total population can be labeled Demos, the rest can only be labeled "subject", mentally. Given that a cameback to classic aristocratic society is a bit automatic, the modern version for Russia is named "oligarchy" (as aristò happen also to be few-ish and not necessary "the best"), the west prefer "capitalism" and unfortunately the departure of such new model is not nice for a significant slice of the said 10-15% since a very small cancer do not want to divide power with anyone else counting on tech and finance to been able to rule alone. In that sense I still fail to see something else than "oppressive". AT least in Swiss they vote every two month to approve or reject laws, here protesters have asked for RIC (Citizens demanded referendums) but such request never arrive to the be law and not enough accept to impose such change via a general strike for instance. That means again, most agree with such governance, and since such governance do not respect the People... How can I call it?