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Is there a compelling public interest? What percentage of shootings in California in the past, I dunno, decade have involved someone with a CCW shooting a neigh

Is there a compelling public interest? What percentage of shootings in California in the past, I dunno, decade have involved someone with a CCW shooting a neighbor over a complaint being filed against them? Is it nonzero? If the number of shootings where a CCW holder has shot a neighbor over a complaint is substantially smaller than the number of cases where a CCW holder has not shot a neighbor over a complaint, doesn't this just serve to make holding a CCW intimidating in a way that most CCW holders neither want nor need? Most directly relevant to your public interest argument, is the rate of people shooting neighbors over a complaint substantially higher among CCW-permit holders than non-CCW-permit holders?

woodruffw 4y ago
I think I would love concrete numbers as much as you would. Until then, "California neighbor dispute shot" gives me about 6.3 million results on Google. When I add "concealed carry" as a mandatory term, it reduces to about 1.7 million.
- scarmig 4y ago
  It seems like the California Attorney General's office would have numbers on exactly that, though, as it records the identities of both shooters and people who hold CCW permits. Is the claim you're making that 1.7 million CCW permit holders have shot another neighbor over a dispute? The first result I got from your search query was this https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-tehama-county-shooting-tic-toc-20171116-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-tehama-county-shoo... (archive https://web.archive.org/web/20210718215711/https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-tehama-county-shooting-tic-toc-20171116-story.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210718215711/https://www.latim...) > Neal fired eight rounds into a Ford F-250 occupied by a mother and her son who were headed to school. The boy suffered non-life-threatening wounds, but the mother was seriously injured, Johnston said. The mother, who had a concealed carry permit, pulled out her own handgun but was unable to fire it before Neal drove away, Johnston said.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    No, that would be ridiculous. My point, a very weak one, was that shootings between neighbors are not unheard of. It stands to reason (at least to me) that knowing about my neighbor's gun is likely to incentivize me to de-escalate the situation.

woodruffw 4y ago

I think I would love concrete numbers as much as you would. Until then, "California neighbor dispute shot" gives me about 6.3 million results on Google. When I add "concealed carry" as a mandatory term, it reduces to about 1.7 million.

scarmig 4y ago
It seems like the California Attorney General's office would have numbers on exactly that, though, as it records the identities of both shooters and people who hold CCW permits. Is the claim you're making that 1.7 million CCW permit holders have shot another neighbor over a dispute? The first result I got from your search query was this https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-tehama-county-shooting-tic-toc-20171116-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-tehama-county-shoo... (archive https://web.archive.org/web/20210718215711/https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-tehama-county-shooting-tic-toc-20171116-story.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210718215711/https://www.latim...) > Neal fired eight rounds into a Ford F-250 occupied by a mother and her son who were headed to school. The boy suffered non-life-threatening wounds, but the mother was seriously injured, Johnston said. The mother, who had a concealed carry permit, pulled out her own handgun but was unable to fire it before Neal drove away, Johnston said.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  No, that would be ridiculous. My point, a very weak one, was that shootings between neighbors are not unheard of. It stands to reason (at least to me) that knowing about my neighbor's gun is likely to incentivize me to de-escalate the situation.