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Can you blame the neighbors for not wanting to live next to a frat house? That’s pretty much the embodiment of partying, booze, loud music

jnwatson 4y ago
Sure but that’s not how laws or zoning are supposed to work. A retirement home is zoned the same as a fraternity. It is like suing your neighbor because you’d rather they have 2 kids instead of 3. Or suing the corner business because they opened a coffee shop instead of a donut shop. The idea that you think you have a say in your neighbors private business is the real problem.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  As long as you tag your hypothetical neighbor's business as "private", saying that it's inappropriate to think you have a say in it is tautological. The idea that you have a say in your neighbor's business is not a problem, it's a fact. The fact that you have property at all is an agreement amongst your neighbors to respect that claim. If you want a place where your neighbors don't get a say in what you do, you should shop for another planet.
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  - actionfromafar 4y ago
    Wow, I almost never see a comment to this effect on HN. So very few people understand this, and that it also extends to all property, not just land.
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      I wouldn't even think you need to shop for another planet - there are plenty parts of world where it's essentially free-for-all what people build on their own land. They're variously known as favelas, slums, shantytowns etc.
      - actionfromafar 4y ago
        And you think there is a power vacuum there? Try build there and see for how long no-one bothers you.
        wizofaus 4y ago
        I suspect one of us rather missed the point here.
        actionfromafar 4y ago
        Haha, have an upvote. :-D
  - datavirtue 4y ago
    In my town you to have all of the neighbors within view of the proposed building sign off on your project. Hopefully you find everyone with a claim before you build and that the person you missed doesn't give a shit.
  - astrange 4y ago
    Most other countries don't have this concept. Strict zoning, permitting, and your neighbors suing over everything is kind of a US specialty. Can't do nothin like that in supposedly collectivist Japan.
    - gambiting 4y ago
      I find it really interesting that in the supposedly "land of the free" US people constantly try to invade each other's private business. So many regulations telling you what you can or cannot do, especially in your private property. And of course people willingly(!!!!!) joining organisations that regulate where you can park on your own driveway or what's the regulation height of the grass in your garden. In other countries you want to open a business out of your garage? Go ahead, why would anyone stop you. It's your private property. Your neighbour doesn't like it? They can talk to you about it. The local council isn't going to invervene because.....it's none of their business. But somehow in US that's flipped on its head - like somehow the "freedom" means "freedom to tell others how to live their life" instead of "freedom to live my life how I want".
- IIAOPSW 4y ago
  PREACH. If they wanted a say in what happens on a piece of land, they should have bought that land!

jnwatson 4y ago

Sure but that’s not how laws or zoning are supposed to work. A retirement home is zoned the same as a fraternity. It is like suing your neighbor because you’d rather they have 2 kids instead of 3. Or suing the corner business because they opened a coffee shop instead of a donut shop. The idea that you think you have a say in your neighbors private business is the real problem.

pessimizer 4y ago
As long as you tag your hypothetical neighbor's business as "private", saying that it's inappropriate to think you have a say in it is tautological. The idea that you have a say in your neighbor's business is not a problem, it's a fact. The fact that you have property at all is an agreement amongst your neighbors to respect that claim. If you want a place where your neighbors don't get a say in what you do, you should shop for another planet.
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- actionfromafar 4y ago
  Wow, I almost never see a comment to this effect on HN. So very few people understand this, and that it also extends to all property, not just land.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    I wouldn't even think you need to shop for another planet - there are plenty parts of world where it's essentially free-for-all what people build on their own land. They're variously known as favelas, slums, shantytowns etc.
    - actionfromafar 4y ago
      And you think there is a power vacuum there? Try build there and see for how long no-one bothers you.
      - wizofaus 4y ago
        I suspect one of us rather missed the point here.
        actionfromafar 4y ago
        Haha, have an upvote. :-D
- datavirtue 4y ago
  In my town you to have all of the neighbors within view of the proposed building sign off on your project. Hopefully you find everyone with a claim before you build and that the person you missed doesn't give a shit.
- astrange 4y ago
  Most other countries don't have this concept. Strict zoning, permitting, and your neighbors suing over everything is kind of a US specialty. Can't do nothin like that in supposedly collectivist Japan.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    I find it really interesting that in the supposedly "land of the free" US people constantly try to invade each other's private business. So many regulations telling you what you can or cannot do, especially in your private property. And of course people willingly(!!!!!) joining organisations that regulate where you can park on your own driveway or what's the regulation height of the grass in your garden. In other countries you want to open a business out of your garage? Go ahead, why would anyone stop you. It's your private property. Your neighbour doesn't like it? They can talk to you about it. The local council isn't going to invervene because.....it's none of their business. But somehow in US that's flipped on its head - like somehow the "freedom" means "freedom to tell others how to live their life" instead of "freedom to live my life how I want".
IIAOPSW 4y ago
PREACH. If they wanted a say in what happens on a piece of land, they should have bought that land!