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The actual disagreement is whether individuals should have the right to enjoy their own sexual freedom. The religious right says "no." The cases we're going to

The actual disagreement is whether individuals should have the right to enjoy their own sexual freedom. The religious right says "no." The cases we're going to see the Supreme Court tear apart are about abortion, contraception, gay marriage, etc. Sexual rights. They believe: Marriage is between a man and a woman only. Sex is for procreation only between married couples. And the only reason someone would need an abortion is because she either had sex out of wedlock like a harlot, got herself raped, had an affair, or something else untoward. As such, she deserves punishment, not the baby (and definitely not the man). Contraception only helps women get away with this stuff. And if you think this stuff all weirdly leans towards giving the man in the relationship full control: Bingo. I'm sure these assholes will eventually get around to picking apart Title IX and women's suffrage if they get through their starter list, here. So, no, the crux of the argument isn't the number of bodies involved one or two — it's whether adult Americans, with the full fundamental freedoms of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" should be allowed to have sex how they want and with whom they want. The abortion part is the only part that really gets traction, which is why that's what they focus on.

tablespoon 4y ago
> The actual disagreement is whether individuals should have the right to enjoy their own sexual freedom. That's a component of the disagreement, but it certainly isn't all of it or even most of it.
- chasing 4y ago
  That's why the religious right cares about it and not the dozens of other things they could be focusing on to save lives — from gun control to universal healthcare to environmental conservation. They won't budge on that shit. But abortion, this one relatively narrow, highly-specific thing. That they're all over. Why?
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > That's why the religious right cares about it and not the dozens of other things they could be focusing on to save lives — from gun control to universal healthcare to environmental conservation. They won't budge on that shit. 1. You're talking about a coalition like it was one person monomaniacally organized around one idea, which us unlikely to give true insight about that coalition. 2. It also feels that you likely have a distorted view (e.g. taking a oversimple slogan, interpreting it through your views, then misunderstanding the people who use it by imposing your interpretation on them). 3. Also, there are likely subsets of that coalition that actually believe very close to how you think they should (e.g. my impression is the Catholic Church is pretty close).

tablespoon 4y ago

> The actual disagreement is whether individuals should have the right to enjoy their own sexual freedom. That's a component of the disagreement, but it certainly isn't all of it or even most of it.

chasing 4y ago
That's why the religious right cares about it and not the dozens of other things they could be focusing on to save lives — from gun control to universal healthcare to environmental conservation. They won't budge on that shit. But abortion, this one relatively narrow, highly-specific thing. That they're all over. Why?
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > That's why the religious right cares about it and not the dozens of other things they could be focusing on to save lives — from gun control to universal healthcare to environmental conservation. They won't budge on that shit. 1. You're talking about a coalition like it was one person monomaniacally organized around one idea, which us unlikely to give true insight about that coalition. 2. It also feels that you likely have a distorted view (e.g. taking a oversimple slogan, interpreting it through your views, then misunderstanding the people who use it by imposing your interpretation on them). 3. Also, there are likely subsets of that coalition that actually believe very close to how you think they should (e.g. my impression is the Catholic Church is pretty close).