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>What is unethical about recording a conversation strictly for personal, private use(ie, a memory aid)? Nothing, per se. I just don't want to be surreptitious

>What is unethical about recording a conversation strictly for personal, private use(ie, a memory aid)? Nothing, per se. I just don't want to be surreptitiously recorded. If GP were to say, "hey, I'm going to record this conversation because [my memory sucks|I want to make sure I get this right|most any reasonable purpose]," I'd likely say "sure. Go right ahead." But IMHO, recording me (or anyone else, but I'm only responsible for me) without my knowledge/consent is definitely unethical. >Would it be better if it all that was stored was a transcript and not a voice recording? No. While I do have a deep, soothing voice, it's being surreptitiously (there's that word again) recorded that's a problem for me -- whatever form that recording takes.

Spooky23 4y ago
It’s weird but it’s a thing. Especially with the hybrid work environment, recordings, legal or not are everywhere now with online conferencing. If you think someone is doing this with an axe to grind, make some smalltalk/banter in video ambit how you’re visiting friends in Maryland and can’t wait to see the Orioles. You’ll probably get a reaction.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >...and can’t wait to see the Orioles. You’ll probably get a reaction. Edit: I'm not really sure what you mean by "get a reaction" here. What sort of reaction do you mean? I'd expect that in such a circumstance, the one doing the surreptitious recording would just wait for the other party to say whatever it is they wanted to hear/record. I'm leaving my original response below, not as a swipe at you (it never was one), but because I said it and it would be (in my mind) inappropriate to remove it. ======Original response========== Something along the lines of "Wow. The Orioles really suck this year (well, most years)!" perhaps? Or were you thinking of something else (like a mumbled, "Arrr! My dastardly plans have been foiled by MLB!")? ======End Original response==========
- Thorrez 4y ago
  > recordings, legal or not are everywhere now with online conferencing. Don't the online conferencing tools say when they're recording?
googlryas 4y ago
If I had a very good memory, would it be unethical for me to write down our conversation word for word when I got home, for the same purposes?
- serf 4y ago
  kinda-ish. the love letters of James Joyce to Nora are surely a gross violation of privacy that would never be ethically allowed now -- the only reason it is tolerated is due to the historical nature of the character in question. Similarly I can imagine outrage if the personal conversation of two famous people were somehow released to the public during a time relevant to the people at hand, especially if the conversation was somehow risque or damning. and by all accounts it's easier to have documents stolen now than it was when conceptually a document was a paper sitting in a safe or a bookshelf. So, in principle I don't think that the writing itself is unethical, however that information could be considered privileged, in which case it's unethical not to make every possible attempt at securing it. In other words the act isn't unethical but it can quickly snowball into ethically grey territory.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >If I had a very good memory, would it be unethical for me to write down our conversation word for word when I got home, for the same purposes? No. Nor would I find it unethical for you to take notes during the conversation. I meant exactly what I said, no more, no less: I do not want to be *surreptitiously* recorded. Full stop. Please refer any additional questions in this vein to my attorneys[0][1]. [0] http://www.dewey-cheatham-howe.com/ http://www.dewey-cheatham-howe.com/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey%2C_Cheatem_%26_Howe#Gag_names https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey%2C_Cheatem_%26_Howe#Gag_... Edit: Fixed typo, formatting.

Spooky23 4y ago

It’s weird but it’s a thing. Especially with the hybrid work environment, recordings, legal or not are everywhere now with online conferencing. If you think someone is doing this with an axe to grind, make some smalltalk/banter in video ambit how you’re visiting friends in Maryland and can’t wait to see the Orioles. You’ll probably get a reaction.

nobody9999 4y ago
>...and can’t wait to see the Orioles. You’ll probably get a reaction. Edit: I'm not really sure what you mean by "get a reaction" here. What sort of reaction do you mean? I'd expect that in such a circumstance, the one doing the surreptitious recording would just wait for the other party to say whatever it is they wanted to hear/record. I'm leaving my original response below, not as a swipe at you (it never was one), but because I said it and it would be (in my mind) inappropriate to remove it. ======Original response========== Something along the lines of "Wow. The Orioles really suck this year (well, most years)!" perhaps? Or were you thinking of something else (like a mumbled, "Arrr! My dastardly plans have been foiled by MLB!")? ======End Original response==========
Thorrez 4y ago
> recordings, legal or not are everywhere now with online conferencing. Don't the online conferencing tools say when they're recording?

googlryas 4y ago

If I had a very good memory, would it be unethical for me to write down our conversation word for word when I got home, for the same purposes?

serf 4y ago
kinda-ish. the love letters of James Joyce to Nora are surely a gross violation of privacy that would never be ethically allowed now -- the only reason it is tolerated is due to the historical nature of the character in question. Similarly I can imagine outrage if the personal conversation of two famous people were somehow released to the public during a time relevant to the people at hand, especially if the conversation was somehow risque or damning. and by all accounts it's easier to have documents stolen now than it was when conceptually a document was a paper sitting in a safe or a bookshelf. So, in principle I don't think that the writing itself is unethical, however that information could be considered privileged, in which case it's unethical not to make every possible attempt at securing it. In other words the act isn't unethical but it can quickly snowball into ethically grey territory.
nobody9999 4y ago
>If I had a very good memory, would it be unethical for me to write down our conversation word for word when I got home, for the same purposes? No. Nor would I find it unethical for you to take notes during the conversation. I meant exactly what I said, no more, no less: I do not want to be *surreptitiously* recorded. Full stop. Please refer any additional questions in this vein to my attorneys[0][1]. [0] http://www.dewey-cheatham-howe.com/ http://www.dewey-cheatham-howe.com/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey%2C_Cheatem_%26_Howe#Gag_names https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey%2C_Cheatem_%26_Howe#Gag_... Edit: Fixed typo, formatting.