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Surreptitiously recording someone without their consent when they're engaged in a conversation they otherwise think is private is at best anti-social, but I'd p

Surreptitiously recording someone without their consent when they're engaged in a conversation they otherwise think is private is at best anti-social, but I'd probably go further and argue it's just unethical. How do I know it'll be strictly for private use? How do I know this person has good op-sec around data? Maybe I'm saying something more candidly verbally because I trust this person that I wouldn't want to be recorded or surfaced later out of context? Especially considering how this kind of thing has been weaponized recently. If I found out a friend was doing this to me without my consent I'd be pissed and would probably stop interacting with them. That they have to hide it suggests they know it would be poorly received (I'm not sure why they'd even admit to it on this forum).

WalterBright 4y ago
I discovered years ago that a friend was recording my telephone conversations with him. I never spoke to him again, on or off the phone. A big element of having a friend is trust. Trust enough that one feels free to say stupid things, one doesn't have to watch every word. It's cathartic to say things you don't really mean. No trust => not a friend.
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- googlryas 4y ago
  In what context did they reveal the existence of their recordings to you? Was it a gotcha situation, or something like the two of you were having a hard time remembering something, and they said they would just check their logs.
justsomehnguy 4y ago
> I'd probably go further and argue it's just unethical. Fucking someone up is unethical too, but it is way more common to hear how someone was deceived than how someone was upheld to their own words. /rant off
- nobody9999 4y ago
  Aren't those two ideas orthoganal?
  - justsomehnguy 4y ago
    Only when you aren't on a receiving side, sadly. Source: guess it.
    - nobody9999 4y ago
      https://www.dictionary.com/browse/orthogonal https://www.dictionary.com/browse/orthogonal having no bearing on the matter at hand; independent of or irrelevant to another thing or each other: And you're welcome.
      - justsomehnguy 4y ago
        https://www.dictionary.com/browse/until https://www.dictionary.com/browse/until

WalterBright 4y ago

I discovered years ago that a friend was recording my telephone conversations with him. I never spoke to him again, on or off the phone. A big element of having a friend is trust. Trust enough that one feels free to say stupid things, one doesn't have to watch every word. It's cathartic to say things you don't really mean. No trust => not a friend.

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googlryas 4y ago
In what context did they reveal the existence of their recordings to you? Was it a gotcha situation, or something like the two of you were having a hard time remembering something, and they said they would just check their logs.

justsomehnguy 4y ago

> I'd probably go further and argue it's just unethical. Fucking someone up is unethical too, but it is way more common to hear how someone was deceived than how someone was upheld to their own words. /rant off

nobody9999 4y ago
Aren't those two ideas orthoganal?
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  Only when you aren't on a receiving side, sadly. Source: guess it.
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/orthogonal https://www.dictionary.com/browse/orthogonal having no bearing on the matter at hand; independent of or irrelevant to another thing or each other: And you're welcome.
    - justsomehnguy 4y ago
      https://www.dictionary.com/browse/until https://www.dictionary.com/browse/until