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Abortion rights are privacy rights. If you don't have a right to bodily autonomy, then the rest of them are just vigorous handwaving.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
Gun rights are privacy rights. If you don't have a right to self defense, then the rest of them are just vigorous handwaving. This technique of taking something controversial and pretending it is not, doesn’t actually win over anybody.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  I'm not trying to win anyone over. The Supreme Court didn't strike down just a woman's right to bodily autonomy. They argued that people do not have the fundamental right to privacy, and state governments who want to know every single little thing that you do online are going to use this decision to argue that they should have access to your data without a subpoena or your consent, so I do hope that you are aligned with your political betters.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    Here I was thinking the NSA showed us this years ago.
- trasz 4y ago
  Bodily autonomy is a fundamental human right. "Gun rights" aren't human rights, and in most of the western culture are considered a rather silly idea.
__blockcipher__ 4y ago
So should the same bill also make vaccine requirements federally illegal? “Bodily autonomy” is a vague and nebulous concept. And it’s also another way to show one’s bias because to a pro-life person abortion is a violation of the unborn child’s bodily autonomy. You wouldn’t talk about being able to commit murder as an exercise of bodily autonomy on the part of the murderer. And again to someone pro-life that’s going to be directly analogous to how they view abortion.
- mcphage 4y ago
  > So should the same bill also make vaccine requirements federally illegal? Yes, you should not be physically forced to get vaccinated against your will. I think we can all agree to that.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  Doesn't matter how they view abortion. We already know how they regard fetuses. They are non-persons except in this narrow context according to their own lawmakers for the purposes of waging a culture war that literally didn't exist until Republicans made protecting segregation a part of their party's platform in the late 70s and tied abortion along with it as part of their "moral majority." When's the last time someone received extra child-care benefits for a fetus? How about SNAP benefits? When's the last time you were able to claim a fetus on your taxes in anti-choce states? Seems awfully strange that people who claim they care so much do so little.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

Gun rights are privacy rights. If you don't have a right to self defense, then the rest of them are just vigorous handwaving. This technique of taking something controversial and pretending it is not, doesn’t actually win over anybody.

MisterBastahrd 4y ago
I'm not trying to win anyone over. The Supreme Court didn't strike down just a woman's right to bodily autonomy. They argued that people do not have the fundamental right to privacy, and state governments who want to know every single little thing that you do online are going to use this decision to argue that they should have access to your data without a subpoena or your consent, so I do hope that you are aligned with your political betters.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  Here I was thinking the NSA showed us this years ago.
trasz 4y ago
Bodily autonomy is a fundamental human right. "Gun rights" aren't human rights, and in most of the western culture are considered a rather silly idea.

__blockcipher__ 4y ago

So should the same bill also make vaccine requirements federally illegal? “Bodily autonomy” is a vague and nebulous concept. And it’s also another way to show one’s bias because to a pro-life person abortion is a violation of the unborn child’s bodily autonomy. You wouldn’t talk about being able to commit murder as an exercise of bodily autonomy on the part of the murderer. And again to someone pro-life that’s going to be directly analogous to how they view abortion.

mcphage 4y ago
> So should the same bill also make vaccine requirements federally illegal? Yes, you should not be physically forced to get vaccinated against your will. I think we can all agree to that.
MisterBastahrd 4y ago
Doesn't matter how they view abortion. We already know how they regard fetuses. They are non-persons except in this narrow context according to their own lawmakers for the purposes of waging a culture war that literally didn't exist until Republicans made protecting segregation a part of their party's platform in the late 70s and tied abortion along with it as part of their "moral majority." When's the last time someone received extra child-care benefits for a fetus? How about SNAP benefits? When's the last time you were able to claim a fetus on your taxes in anti-choce states? Seems awfully strange that people who claim they care so much do so little.